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From: Peter Hurley <peter-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:56:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <554B7D33.602@hurleysoftware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B4D487C5-C260-497B-A441-6C381D53616C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>

On 05/07/2015 08:46 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

> So I don’t think that being able to control the slave is a common property
> of all UART-slave connections.
> 
> BTW: the GPS chip we use is doing something without any instructions. It starts
> to send NMEA records right after power on. It would even be useful with a unidirectional
> connection from GPS to UART. Hence there are no commands that need to be
> sent through UART. Rather it just needs some GPIO to be activated or powered down
> when /dev/tty is opened/closed.

In this example, the GPIO is a workaround for the lack of DTR.


> So one could argue that in this real case (which we try to solve in an acceptable way
> since 2 years) the fundamental/main interface (control command interface) of this chip
> is the power on/off line. And UART isn’t involved at all. Or just as an “activity detector”.

The indirect nature of control in this case only reflects the workaround,
not the underlying concept. Control is still derived from the UART status.

Both devicetree and tty/serial can already represent independent control;
what is proposed is a way to express dependent control, and in all cases,
that control stems directly from either the UART state itself or via
commands sent over that interface.

Any target not requiring UART involvement doesn't (and probably, shouldn't)
be expressed as a slave device.

Regards,
Peter Hurley
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-07 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-18  5:58 [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 NeilBrown
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] TTY: add support for tty_slave devices NeilBrown
2015-03-18  9:11   ` Paul Bolle
2015-03-22  3:32     ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 19:41   ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-22  3:42     ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
     [not found]       ` <20150322144209.14abc603-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-22  7:58         ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-24 10:31   ` Jiri Slaby
2015-03-30 23:45     ` NeilBrown
2015-03-25 16:30   ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-25 21:17     ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-27 11:09       ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-31  0:33         ` NeilBrown
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] TTY: use class_find_device to find port in uart_suspend/resume NeilBrown
     [not found]   ` <20150318055831.21025.27864.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-25 16:20     ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-29 21:49       ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] tty/slaves: add a driver to power on/off UART attached devices NeilBrown
     [not found]   ` <20150318055831.21025.33670.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  7:54     ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]       ` <C53A3E5D-5AEA-4F0F-88A9-F9BC8CB0D0D6-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  8:54         ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20  9:34           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]             ` <14FB51CF-9568-4BF4-B917-2C019D992FDB-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 19:50               ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-20 23:31             ` NeilBrown
2015-03-24 17:58               ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25  1:45                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25  7:59                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 15:21                     ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25 16:44                       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-26 18:08                         ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27  9:22                           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-27 16:31                             ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27 17:11                               ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-04-27 20:35                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-04-29  6:56                                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 20:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:25                       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                         ` <1F3B5E32-1330-457C-AE25-791319293C38-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-26  5:56                           ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-26  6:44                             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                               ` <365B2C25-1782-4ADE-B620-190A4CC5E8E3-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-04  7:52                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 20:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:22                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-20  7:54 ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]   ` <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  8:43     ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20  8:54       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-20 13:08         ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 13:57           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]             ` <72268D51-F993-497A-B4F9-707C8DB7155C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 17:14               ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 19:31 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <20150318055437.21025.13990.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 19:54   ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 20:46     ` NeilBrown
     [not found]     ` <55492001.30806-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06  5:19       ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 11:10         ` Peter Hurley
     [not found]         ` <DE60E7AA-1BF4-4A68-9638-E09F85FD5C72-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06  9:27           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 11:50             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:05               ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-06 12:27                 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:36                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 13:28                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 14:15                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 16:09                         ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 17:18                           ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-07 12:46                             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 14:30                               ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 15:11                                 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 16:18                                   ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:57                                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                               ` <B4D487C5-C260-497B-A441-6C381D53616C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 14:56                                 ` Peter Hurley [this message]
     [not found]                                   ` <554B7D33.602-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 15:34                                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 15:51                                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:46                                         ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-13  8:09                                           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-06-03 11:49                                             ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] UART slave device support Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                                               ` <56C579D3-E8F8-4B5A-B6E8-993B113F3461-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09                                                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <463356C5-E3C6-432C-A1C5-71F0287F1FEE@goldelico.com>
2015-06-03 12:09                                               ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH RFC 3/3] misc: Add w2g0004 gps receiver driver Christ van Willegen
2015-05-07 15:37                       ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Peter Hurley
     [not found]               ` <A2594559-CA92-40C2-A06A-AC2483E85CB1-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 14:28                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 16:12                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                     ` <C68A105A-7147-4143-9B91-1A239726A780-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-06 18:53                         ` Belisko Marek
2015-06-06 18:55                           ` Belisko Marek
2015-05-07 15:48           ` Rob Herring

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