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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>
Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	dedekind1@gmail.com, Hauke Mehrtens <hauke@hauke-m.de>,
	robh+dt@kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	computersforpeace@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] ubi: mount partitions specified in device tree
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 15:19:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57669BEA.5030306@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160619130514.GB820@makrotopia.org>

Daniel,

Am 19.06.2016 um 15:05 schrieb Daniel Golle:
>>> The same kernel gets used on many devices having different $vendor
>>> mtd-partition layouts. A way other than the kernel cmdline allows
>>> to specify the default behaviour without restricting the user to
>>> manually use those cmdline options.
>>
>> You can put the cmdline into the per-device device tree.
>> This is the concept of a multi-device kernel. One kernel and
>> many device trees.
> 
> Exactly true. However, as the mtd partitions are defined in the tree
> itself rather than using 'mtdparts=...' in the cmdline built-into the
> device-tree, it'd be nice to also select that a specific partition
> should be ubiattached.

DT already offer all you need and nothing hinders you from
using mtdparts=.

>>
>>>>
>>>>> To auto-select the rootfs, we currently carry another bunch of patches
>>>>>
>>>>> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/generic/patches-4.4/491-ubi-auto-create-ubiblock-device-for-rootfs.patch
>>>>
>>>> Same question here.
>>>>
>>>>> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/generic/patches-4.4/492-try-auto-mounting-ubi0-rootfs-in-init-do_mounts.c.patch
>>>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>>>
>>>>> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/generic/patches-4.4/493-ubi-set-ROOT_DEV-to-ubiblock-rootfs-if-unset.patch
>>>>
>>>> Ditto.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same arguments as above. In addition, we do not want to hard-code the
>>> filesystem type used for the rootfs volume, as it can either be UBIFS
>>> or a read-only filesystem needing a ubiblock device. Thus we would
>>> need the bootloader to know which filesystem *type* is being used and
>>> then decide wether to pass 'rootfs=ubiX:Y' or
>>> 'ubiblock=... rootfs=/dev/ubiblock0'.
>>
>> What is wrong with having a very minimal initramfs to do such an
>> auto discovery logic?
> 
> Sorry, but we are not talking about traditional desktop or server
> systems. OpenWrt/LEDE runs on devices with as little as 32 MB of RAM
> and 4 MB of Flash. Devices with UBI will typically have at least
> 32 MB of NAND Flash, but still not necessarily a lot of RAM.
> Have a look at
> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/lantiq/dts/BTHOMEHUBV2B.dts
> for a good example of the type of hardware we are talking about.

I didn't recommend adding glibc+systemd in the initramfs. It can be very, very small
and trivial.
At least it would be much more clean than your pile of not so fancy MTD/UBI patches.

> Apart from that we already automatically generate initramfs-based
> images for devices to be used in situations where you cannot or don't
> want to touch the devices' flash.

The initramfs can be part of the kernel image. No additional file needed.

>> This is something you need to discuss wit DT folks.
>> I'm not per se against UBI DT bindings it just does not feel right
>> and contradicts my understanding of it.
> 
> I agree with your view when it comes to describing UBI volumes
> in the device tree. That's wrong just as it would be wrong to add
> DT bindings for LVM2.
> As said previously, the situation is different for flash chips having
> partitions defined for use with UBI on some boards.

Everything can be done with the existing framework. DT binding maybe be nice
for your use case but I fear it is not applicable.

Thanks,
//richard

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-19 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-18 19:17 [PATCH 1/2] ubi: mount partitions specified in device tree Hauke Mehrtens
     [not found] ` <1466277476-14853-1-git-send-email-hauke-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-18 19:17   ` [PATCH 2/2] ubi: open volumes define " Hauke Mehrtens
     [not found]     ` <1466277476-14853-2-git-send-email-hauke-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-18 23:36       ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]         ` <20160618233654.GC29476-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 21:21           ` Hauke Mehrtens
2016-06-24 18:45       ` Ezequiel Garcia
     [not found]         ` <CAAEAJfATWJL0fGEcBup+cWzhHUe_4CF4XHWuvp4NYOesmaTyZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-25 20:24           ` Hauke Mehrtens
2016-06-18 23:56   ` [PATCH 1/2] ubi: mount partitions specified " Daniel Golle
2016-06-19 21:36     ` Hauke Mehrtens
     [not found]       ` <ecb7950d-9e07-5c5d-6668-1c67ba170ddf-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 21:52         ` Daniel Golle
2016-06-18 19:30 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]   ` <5765A14F.6020201-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-18 19:35     ` Hauke Mehrtens
2016-06-18 23:20       ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]         ` <20160618232054.GB29476-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19  8:53           ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]             ` <57665D96.1070804-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19  9:16               ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-19 11:25               ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]                 ` <20160619112510.GA820-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 12:02                   ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                     ` <576689CC.3030809-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 13:05                       ` Daniel Golle
2016-06-19 13:19                         ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <57669BEA.5030306-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 14:09                             ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]                               ` <20160619140952.GC820-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 14:35                                 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                                   ` <5766AD99.1040809-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 15:24                                     ` Daniel Golle
2016-06-19 15:31                                       ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                                         ` <5766BAB8.9090707-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 16:13                                           ` Daniel Golle
2016-06-19 16:53                                             ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-19 19:42                                               ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160619194236.GA1222-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 20:14                                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-19 21:48                                                     ` Daniel Golle
     [not found]                                                       ` <20160619214820.GB1222-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 22:21                                                         ` Hauke Mehrtens
2016-06-20  8:09                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-06-20  8:26                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-20 15:08                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-06-20 17:24                                                                 ` Brian Norris
2016-06-20 19:57                                                                 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                                                                   ` <57684AB9.5040607-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-20 21:18                                                                     ` Hauke Mehrtens
2016-06-20 17:05                                                             ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                                       ` <20160619152445.GG820-g5gK2j5usbvCyp4qypjU+w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19 15:43                                         ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-19 16:23                                           ` Daniel Golle
2016-06-20 17:03                               ` Brian Norris
     [not found]       ` <48242f26-7812-6957-6bf5-c12989b875b4-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-18 19:46         ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]           ` <5765A4F9.3050107-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-18 22:54             ` Hauke Mehrtens
     [not found]               ` <8697ff77-218b-2bc6-5d36-bfb02360d223-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-19  8:41                 ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-24 18:28         ` Ezequiel Garcia
     [not found]           ` <CAAEAJfC8mYnohRxKg0b-onbGadk0vPDty=7Bh8emP92mazB=aA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-25 20:20             ` Hauke Mehrtens
     [not found]               ` <aedd029f-858b-97f8-7fc7-f224999ed24c-5/S+JYg5SzeELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-25 20:33                 ` Richard Weinberger

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