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From: Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>
To: Javier Martinez Canillas <javierm@redhat.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>
Cc: Benjamin Tissoires <bentiss@kernel.org>,
	Jessica Zhang <jesszhan0024@gmail.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
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	Laurent Pinchart <Laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2026 15:37:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <828c9108-2db1-45a6-9301-19159a094301@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xlv1wls4ebjq.fsf@fmartine-thinkpadx1carbongen12.rmtes.csb>

On 9/29/26 09:55, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
> Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org> writes:
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 10:36:18PM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>> On 9/28/26 21:48, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28 2026, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>>>> On 9/28/26 19:24, Benjamin Tissoires wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 28 2026, Neil Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/28/26 18:22, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Panels in general, and MIPI-DSI panels in particular, are pretty
>>>>>>>> difficult to support and require pretty much a panel driver for each
>>>>>>>> panel produced. Most of them are pretty simple, and require an opaque
>>>>>>>> initialization sequence that is usually poorly documented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This creates a tension between OEMs and distros because OEMs will
>>>>>>>> typically get a new panel to react to a sourcing issue during
>>>>>>>> production, and thus need some swift turnaround between getting their
>>>>>>>> new panel and it being operational in the OS. Distributions on the other
>>>>>>>> hand can take years to ship a kernel with that new panel driver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To solve this, I followed the example of HID-BPF and wrote a panel
>>>>>>>> driver that will rely on BPF programs to perform the panel
>>>>>>>> initialization. That way, we can ship the programs separately from the
>>>>>>>> kernel, and with a different lifecycle. If this driver is accepted, the
>>>>>>>> plan is to have a userspace component started by udev to identify and
>>>>>>>> load the right BPF program for the panels found on the device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is kind of late for serious applications except if we manage to
>>>>>>> solve the bootloader to Linux display engine transition.
>>>>>>>
> 
> Besides what Maxime already mentioned (that most general purpose Linux distributions
> built the drivers as modules anyways), it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
> 
> A simple panel could be supported using this BPF-based driver and then a panel driver
> added to the kernel, if is found that some applications need to have it built-in and
> earlier in the boot path.
> 
> I don't see why this would be any different than HDI-BPF or other BPF-based infra,
> such as sched_ext.
> 

I don't want to add a supplementary maintenance burden for the sake of using a cool
technology which has serious drawbacks and dependencies on user-space even if looks
really cool.

Neil

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-30 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-28 16:22 [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/6] dt-bindings: display: Add panel-mipi-dsi-bpf generic panel binding Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:35   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 19:16   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 20:40   ` Rob Herring
2026-09-29  8:39     ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29 22:28       ` Rob Herring
2026-09-30  8:04         ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 19:07           ` Rob Herring
2026-10-01  7:22             ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-01 16:03               ` Rob Herring
2026-09-30 13:32       ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  7:09         ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:28           ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 20:43   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2026-09-29 23:44   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/6] drm/panel: Add generic MIPI-DSI panel driver with BPF init sequences Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add BPF program build infrastructure and helper header Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-29 23:44   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add Raspberry Pi 7-inch panel BPF program Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH 5/6] drm/panel: dsi-bpf: Add Raspberry Pi 5-inch " Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:33   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:22 ` [PATCH DO NOT MERGE 6/6] arm64: dts: broadcom: Add Raspberry Pi ILI9881C DSI panel overlays Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:31   ` sashiko-bot
2026-09-28 16:37 ` [PATCH 0/6] drm/bridge: Add a BPF-based MIPI-DSI panel driver Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-28 17:31   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 18:12     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-09-29  6:54   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-28 16:39 ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 17:24   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 19:20     ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-28 19:48       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-28 20:36         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  7:41           ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:55             ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-09-30 13:37               ` Neil Armstrong [this message]
2026-10-01  6:50                 ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:30                   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-02  7:37                     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-10-02  7:53                       ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-02  9:04                         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2026-09-30 13:36             ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-30 20:59               ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-10-01  6:38               ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-01 17:03               ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:27       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 13:49         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  7:01           ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  7:39             ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  7:13   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-29  7:46     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-30 13:46     ` Neil Armstrong
2026-10-01  6:48       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-10-02  8:11         ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-29  9:03 ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-29  9:32   ` Benjamin Tissoires
2026-09-29 10:16     ` Jani Nikula
2026-09-29 12:28       ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-30 14:01   ` Neil Armstrong
2026-09-30 19:18     ` Jani Nikula
2026-10-01  7:05     ` Maxime Ripard

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