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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>
Cc: "Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	"John Bonesio" <bones@secretlab.ca>,
	"Petr Štetiar" <ynezz@true.cz>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:17:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTinzibE6krCMdtzw57TLM91W4Chpqg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106131058080.2142@xanadu.home>

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:14:07AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
>> > On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Tony Lindgren wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree that we need to parse the user configurable ATAGs to support
>> > > existing hardware properly. Otherwise we have edit the .dts for each board
>> > > to change the user configurable things, which is not nice for distros.
>> >
>> > You mean "existing bootloaders", right?
>> >
>> > Updated bootloaders should translate user configurable information into
>> > proper DT records and pass the resulting DTB to the kernel separately.
>>
>> OMAP is one of the code bases where this really matters - they have a
>> _lot_ of existing platforms with boot loaders which do the ATAG stuff.
>> They also have a lot of code in arch/arm that needs to be converted to
>> a DT representation.
>
> Yes, agreed.  I just wanted to make the situation clear above, so people
> aren't confused in believing that the DT data is always static.  New
> bootloaders should have the same ability to dynamically change some of
> the parameters passed to the kernel.  So the issue is not about existing
> hardware, but rather about existing bootloaders.
>
>> With the current situation where you can have either ATAGs or DT but
>> not both, they're currently facing either having to break all the
>> existing platforms by ignoring the ATAGs _or_ keeping two copies of
>> a considerable amount of data - one in DT form and one in its existing
>> form.
>>
>> At present, DT can only be used sensibly on brand new SoCs where there
>> are no existing platforms with ATAG based boot loaders to worry about.
>> As things stand at present, even with your patch series, existing SoCs
>> have no viable path to transition to DT.
>
> As I said, I'm now convinced that the patch adding a shim to translate
> ATAGs into DT entries should be added to this series.  I was reluctant
> initially for insentive purposes, but your argument clearly tilted the
> balance the other way.

John Bonesio was the author of that patch.

John, can you dust of the ATAGs-->DT conversion patch and get it
rebased to my current devicetree/test branch?  I've picked up Nicolas'
3 patch series which includes your dtb append patch into
devicetree/test.

g.

-- 
Grant Likely, B.Sc., P.Eng.
Secret Lab Technologies Ltd.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-13 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-12  6:06 [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12  6:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: zImage: ensure it is always a multiple of 64 bits in size Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 10:43   ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]   ` <1307858800-16712-2-git-send-email-nicolas.pitre-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 11:24     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]       ` <20110613112454.GA12325-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 14:06         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12  6:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] ARM: zImage: Allow the appending of a device tree binary Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 15:01   ` Grant Likely
2011-06-13 10:46   ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]     ` <20110613104648.GD10951-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 11:26       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]         ` <20110613112604.GB12325-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 14:08           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12  6:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zImage: make sure appended DTB doesn't get overwritten by kernel .bss Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 10:47   ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-12  8:15 ` [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]   ` <20110612081541.GA10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12  8:34     ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]       ` <20110612083414.GA29516-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12  9:21         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]           ` <20110612092131.GC10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12  9:38             ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]               ` <20110612093822.GB29516-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12  9:52                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                   ` <20110612095217.GD10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 10:42                     ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]                       ` <20110612104215.GC29516-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 10:40                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 20:19                           ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2011-06-13 23:04                           ` David Brown
     [not found]                             ` <8yaaadlfi3q.fsf-AOX6H5vLt3Uj8izMo0bVsAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 23:13                               ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106131910570.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14  7:09                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 14:53                                     ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]                                       ` <20110614145329.GK23145-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 17:28                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 20:32                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 21:21                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                               ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106141650520.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 21:42                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                                   ` <201106142342.29405.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 22:06                                                     ` Grant Likely
2011-06-15  8:08                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]                                             ` <201106142232.02217.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 22:32                                               ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                                                 ` <4DF7E191.1050705-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 23:50                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                                     ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106141948060.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-15  2:09                                                       ` Rob Herring
2011-06-15  2:21                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106140300500.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14 11:25                                       ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-14 21:38                                       ` David Brown
2011-06-14 23:27                                     ` [PATCH] Support multiple MEM tags with atags->fdt conversion David Brown
2011-06-15 19:50                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-15 20:15                                         ` David Brown
2011-06-15 20:20                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-16  1:43                                         ` David Gibson
2011-06-20  4:03                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20  4:53                                             ` David Gibson
2011-06-17 20:23                                         ` David Brown
2011-06-12 11:22       ` [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Petr Štetiar
     [not found]         ` <20110612112219.GD16318-iAOvNCVgjNNH4x6Dk/4f9A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 11:58           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 14:15             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]               ` <201106121615.24059.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 14:34                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                   ` <20110612143428.GI10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:01                     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                       ` <201106121701.22418.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:35                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                           ` <20110612153536.GL10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:45                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 14:57                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                   ` <20110612145751.GA4013-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:19                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 15:47                       ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106121145570.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:59                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                             ` <20110612155940.GM10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 18:59                               ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106121454510.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13  9:51                                   ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]                                     ` <20110613095142.GA10951-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 14:14                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106131010150.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 14:20                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                             ` <20110613142044.GC13643-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 15:02                                               ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-13 15:14                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 15:17                                                 ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-06-12 19:26                               ` Warner Losh
2011-06-13  9:59                             ` Tony Lindgren
     [not found]             ` <20110612115820.GF10283-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-12 15:41               ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106121051380.2142-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-14  0:13                   ` David Brown
2011-09-06 11:23                     ` Linus Walleij
2011-06-21  1:40           ` David Gibson
2011-06-13  4:31 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]   ` <BANLkTik_hH9tZ5MMbOYzhZwLFTFQyJyfRg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-13 20:44     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-09-05 15:43       ` Tony Lindgren
2011-09-05 19:32         ` Nicolas Pitre

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