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[209.85.128.43]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-b734fad4494sm1441877866b.18.2025.11.18.14.47.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Nov 2025 14:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-f43.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4779cb0a33fso40771795e9.0 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2025 14:47:54 -0800 (PST) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXaVgW9/0n3cegxKaM5ivrA8ewSK5CjuLDuLddE3c9RnaqnYImox6ombzaSj0ObVCIVvTizaekGJqZt@vger.kernel.org X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:2210:b0:42b:2e65:655f with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-42b593499c8mr17946628f8f.19.1763506073874; Tue, 18 Nov 2025 14:47:53 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: devicetree@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20251111192422.4180216-1-dianders@chromium.org> <20251111112158.1.I72a0b72562b85d02fee424fed939fea9049ddda9@changeid> <20251113022719.GA2281498-robh@kernel.org> <20251114152005.GA893333-robh@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: From: Doug Anderson Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 14:47:42 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bl_hw6vDHu8MkUl7OQYNBNjD1FAMZQn03A25BwsYvwyfHESZ3LQca8v3-E Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] dt-bindings: arm: google: Add bindings for frankel/blazer/mustang To: Rob Herring Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Conor Dooley , Peter Griffin , =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Draszik?= , Tudor Ambarus , linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, Roy Luo , devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Chen-Yu Tsai , Julius Werner , William McVicker , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 10:53=E2=80=AFAM Doug Anderson wrote: > > > I think it would help if you described what you want to do more > > generically rather than mixed in with "add a new SoC" and send that to > > devicetree-spec and perhaps boot-architecture lists. Present the > > problem, not just the solution. > > Sure, though I think the problem has been discussed at length in a > number of situations before (mailing lists, conferences, etc). Each > time it seems like it ends up being too complicated and folks hit dead > ends and stop trying to upstream. Downstream just keeps doing their > own downstream things because there are tons of people all hitting the > same problem and there's no upstream solution. > > IMO we need to start moving into the realm of solutions. I understand > that upstream doesn't want to accept some poorly-thought-out scheme > that will cause long-term grief, but at some point it feels like we > need to accept something that's "not too bad" so that we can at least > iterate from there. > > After re-reading all the above, it feels like we're not that far from > a solution, though perhaps you'll read it all and say that you hate it > and that we're not as close as I thought. ;-) I've taken your advice and posted to the devicetree-spec and boot-architecture lists. To connect anyone that was following this conversation, see: https://lore.kernel.org/r/CAD=3DFV=3DUx7nGFnYEyX0cUL-9__BKnTYc+kAJjkF458ZnF= S7zoJA@mail.gmail.com I've done my best to include all the concerns / points that were brought up in this thread. -Doug