From: Matt Sealey <matt-sEEEE4iEDtaXzmuOJsdVMQ@public.gmane.org>
To: balbi <balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kishon <kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH,RFC] usb: add devicetree helpers for determining dr_mode and phy_type
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:35:38 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKGA1bkgmZy=FdSNx7vueM9n2PS7yANJQSqMSJR-2xn94HO8jA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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s/is already done/should already be done.
Matt Sealey <matt-sEEEE4iEDtaXzmuOJsdVMQ@public.gmane.org>
Product Development Analyst, Genesi USA, Inc.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Matt Sealey <matt-sEEEE4iEDtaXzmuOJsdVMQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Felipe Balbi <balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 07:40:23PM +0530, kishon wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 29 January 2013 07:23 PM, Wolfram Sang wrote:
>>> >>>+ err = of_property_read_string(np, "phy_type", &phy_type);
>>> >>>+ if (err < 0)
>>> >>>+ return USBPHY_INTERFACE_MODE_NA;
>>> >>
>>> >>Why don't we use a u32 property type for the *phy-type*? IMHO we
>>> >>should use string property only when the property should be
>>> >>absolutely unambiguous (e.g., compatible property should be string).
>>> >
>>> >If we would use u32-numbers in the compatible entry, this would also be
>>> >unambiguous, no? 0xd00dfeed would be the at24-driver. Pretty specific.
>>>
>>> hehe... But we don't have a corresponding *enum* representing the
>>> drivers :-)
>>> >
>>> >I don't mind having readable devicetrees. And we have it for ethernet
>>> >phys already with strings, so it would be consistent.
>>>
>>> Ok. Fine with it then :-)
>>
>> I prefer u32 here, because we have the matching enum. Otherwise we end
>> up with:
>>
>> of_property_read_string(...,&type);
>>
>> if (!strcmp(type, "ulpi"))
>> foo();
>> else if (!strcmp(type, "utmi"))
>> bar();
>> else if (!strcmp(type, "pipe3"))
>> baz();
>> else
>> BUG();
>>
>> and I don't like that, it's ugly and error prone. Also looks awful when
>> someone needs to change that, the diff looks messy. A u32 followed by a
>> switch statement looks nicer.
>
> I wholeheartedly and vehemently disagree.
>
> Device trees don't exist to make Linux look prettier, *OR* clean up
> your source code of string comparisons when you think comparing an
> integer looks or feels cleaner. They exist to provide a hardware
> description. phy-type 0x3 does not describe anything except that you
> have to go look up what 0x3 means, and means device trees cannot be
> internally consistent within themselves or publically existing
> documentation (it is certain that there is no USB PHY specification
> that defines 0x3 as anything, which means the value is entirely Linux
> specific).
>
> Matching an enum or magic number encoded into a u32 in some external
> source code to define a type that wasn't just an index is not
> something that anyone has ever reasonably done in any traditional
> IEEE1275 device tree or OpenFirmware-committee binding, and we
> shouldn't just be subverting the existing standard to make Linux code
> "look prettier".
>
> Please consider other operating systems, which would need to copy the
> definition of the enum which may not be possible when thinking of
> Linux vs. FreeBSD or so, and in general the readability of the device
> tree - phy-type 0x3 is going to require a comment in the device tree
> source to remind people what that means, or a cross-reference to a
> binding which is more work than most developers want to do to make
> sure they specified the correct PHY type. A string is completely and
> unavoidably correct - a typo in the phy-type means a match against
> valid bindings is impossible and an instant bug. A mistaken u32 value
> means the wrong phy-type is defined which has increased potential to
> provide misconfigured phy with the wrong type and less warning than a
> string literal not being absolutely identical. I think that means more
> buggy device trees will get past where it doesn't actually work
> properly, and more time will be spent working out WHY it doesn't
> actually work properly.
>
> It is much better to be totally unambiguous in the device tree as per
> the type and a string is the best way. If you really want effective,
> less error-prone code, define all the existing or useful types as
> preprocessor defines (#define PHY_TYPE_UTMI_WIDE "utmiw") and use
> those to match the binding. I wouldn't hand-code a property string
> inline even if you offered me a million dollars to do so. Matching the
> dr_mode property is already done in a drivers/of or of_phy.h include
> so just move the potential match code to there and return the correct
> enum (which is arguably Linux-specific) from the string and give a big
> fat error from the match function if none of the valid bindings
> matches up.
>
> BTW I disagree with the use of underscores in device trees as well, I
> wouldn't use an underscore for a new property. But in the case of
> dr_mode it is well used already especially for Freescale controllers
> on PPC where there are a significant handful of DTS (or real OF) that
> implement it. It might not be a bad idea, though, to update the
> binding deprecating dr_mode in favor of something that is much less
> ambiguous and descriptive itself - "dr-mode" is an acceptable fix but
> a "role" property or "dual-role-mode" is much more descriptive. Moving
> the matching to some common code since more than one controller uses
> it and then adding a new, better property name with dr_mode as an
> acceptable but unrecommended fallback means this can be left to
> history.
>
> --
> Matt Sealey <matt-sEEEE4iEDtaXzmuOJsdVMQ@public.gmane.org>
> Product Development Analyst, Genesi USA, Inc.
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Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-29 11:22 [PATCH,RFC] usb: add devicetree helpers for determining dr_mode and phy_type Sascha Hauer
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2013-01-29 11:55 ` Alexander Shishkin
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2013-01-30 2:06 ` Peter Chen
2013-01-30 14:00 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-01-31 2:05 ` Peter Chen
2013-01-31 10:29 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-02-01 1:11 ` Peter Chen
2013-02-01 6:58 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-02-01 12:21 ` Peter Chen
2013-01-29 13:44 ` kishon
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2013-01-29 13:53 ` Wolfram Sang
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2013-01-29 14:10 ` kishon
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2013-01-29 14:33 ` Felipe Balbi
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2013-01-29 14:55 ` Wolfram Sang
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2013-01-29 15:05 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2013-01-30 19:33 ` Matt Sealey
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2013-01-30 19:35 ` Matt Sealey [this message]
2013-01-29 17:10 ` Stephen Warren
2013-01-29 20:30 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-01-30 5:51 ` kishon
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2013-01-30 10:11 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-01-30 10:31 ` kishon
2013-01-29 17:11 ` [PATCH, RFC] " Stephen Warren
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2013-01-29 17:16 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
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