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From: "Théo Lebrun" <theo.lebrun@bootlin.com>
To: "Kevin Hilman" <khilman@kernel.org>,
	"Roger Quadros" <rogerq@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@kernel.org>,
	"Pawel Laszczak" <pawell@cadence.com>,
	"Nishanth Menon" <nm@ti.com>,
	"Vignesh Raghavendra" <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	"Tero Kristo" <kristo@kernel.org>,
	"Vardhan, Vibhore" <vibhore@ti.com>
Cc: linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	"Grégory Clement" <gregory.clement@bootlin.com>,
	"Thomas Petazzoni" <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] usb: cdns3-ti: add suspend/resume procedures for J7200
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 14:25:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CX9MMPFL7HAY.NGULD1FN5WPN@tleb-bootlin-xps13-01> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7hil5odtwl.fsf@baylibre.com>

Hello,

On Sun Nov 26, 2023 at 11:36 PM CET, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> Théo Lebrun <theo.lebrun@bootlin.com> writes:
> > On Wed Nov 22, 2023 at 11:23 PM CET, Kevin Hilman wrote:
> >> Théo Lebrun <theo.lebrun@bootlin.com> writes:
> >> The point is to signal to the power domain the device is in that it can
> >> power on/off.  These IP blocks are (re)used on many different SoCs, so
> >> the driver should not make any assumptions about what power domain it is
> >> in (if any.)
> >
> > On my platform, when the device is attached to the PD it gets turned on.
> > That feels logical to me: if a driver is not RPM aware it "just works".
>
> It "just works"... until the domain gets turned off.
>
> > Are there platforms where RPM must get enabled for the attached
> > power-domains to be turned on?
>
> Yes, but but more importantly, there are platforms where RPM must get
> enabled for the power domain to *stay* on.  For example, the power
> domain might get turned on due to devices probing etc, but as soon as
> all the RPM-enabled drivers drop their refcount, the domain will turn
> off.  If there is a device in that domain with a non-RPM enabled driver,
> that device will be powered off anc cause a crash.

OK, that makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain. This topic
makes me see two things that I feel are close to being bugs. I'd be
curious to get your view on both.

 - If a device does not use RPM but its children do, it might get its
   associated power-domain turned off. That forces every single driver
   that want to stay alive to enable & increment RPM.

   What I naively expect: a genpd with a device attached to it that is
   not using RPM should mean that it should not be powered off at
   runtime_suspend. Benefit: no RPM calls in drivers that do not use
   it, and the behavior is that the genpd associated stays alive "as
   expected".

 - If a device uses RPM & has a refcount strictly positive, its
   associated power-domain gets turned off either way at suspend_noirq.
   That feels non-intuitive as well.

   What I naively expect: check for RPM refcounts of attached devices
   when doing suspend_noirq of power-domains. Benefit: control of what
   power-domains do from attached devices is done through the RPM API.

Regards,

--
Théo Lebrun, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-27 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-13 14:26 [PATCH 0/6] usb: cdns: fix suspend on J7200 by assuming reset on resume Théo Lebrun
2023-11-13 14:26 ` [PATCH 1/6] dt-bindings: usb: ti,j721e-usb: add ti,j7200-usb compatible Théo Lebrun
2023-11-13 19:58   ` Conor Dooley
2023-11-13 14:26 ` [PATCH 2/6] usb: cdns3-ti: move reg writes from probe into an init_hw helper Théo Lebrun
2023-11-15 11:33   ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-15 14:23     ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-16 12:00       ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-13 14:26 ` [PATCH 3/6] usb: cdns3-ti: add suspend/resume procedures for J7200 Théo Lebrun
2023-11-13 15:39   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2023-11-14 11:13     ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-15 11:37   ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-15 15:02     ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-16 12:40       ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-16 18:56         ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-16 21:44           ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-17 10:17             ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-17 11:51               ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-17 14:20                 ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-18 10:41                   ` Roger Quadros
2023-11-22 22:23                   ` Kevin Hilman
2023-11-23  9:51                     ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-26 22:36                       ` Kevin Hilman
2023-11-27 13:25                         ` Théo Lebrun [this message]
2023-12-12 18:26                           ` Kevin Hilman
2023-12-12 19:31                             ` Alan Stern
2023-11-13 14:26 ` [PATCH 4/6] usb: cdns3: support power-off of controller when in host role Théo Lebrun
2023-11-14  8:38   ` Peter Chen
2023-11-14 11:10     ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-17  3:38       ` Peter Chen
2023-11-17  9:58         ` Théo Lebrun
2023-11-20  5:44           ` Peter Chen
2023-11-13 14:27 ` [PATCH 5/6] usb: cdns3-ti: notify cdns core that hardware resets across suspend on J7200 Théo Lebrun
2023-11-13 14:27 ` [PATCH 6/6] arm64: dts: ti: k3-j7200: use J7200-specific USB compatible Théo Lebrun
2023-11-14 10:01   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2023-11-14 11:14     ` Théo Lebrun

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