From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Tamir Duberstein <tamird@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 7/7] rust: enable `clippy::ref_as_ptr` lint
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 16:43:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8QCK3CQES3Y.3LTZ4MVO5B3KT@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-ks9nHKpQPuSBypXTSATYhbAFkQTJzUq8jN0nu4t=Kw+0xxg@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed Mar 26, 2025 at 11:35 AM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 6:31 AM Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me> wrote:
>> On Wed Mar 26, 2025 at 12:54 AM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 6:40 PM Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me> wrote:
>> >> On Tue Mar 25, 2025 at 11:33 PM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 6:11 PM Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me> wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue Mar 25, 2025 at 9:07 PM CET, Tamir Duberstein wrote:
>> >> >> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/str.rs b/rust/kernel/str.rs
>> >> >> > index 40034f77fc2f..6233af50bab7 100644
>> >> >> > --- a/rust/kernel/str.rs
>> >> >> > +++ b/rust/kernel/str.rs
>> >> >> > @@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ pub const fn is_empty(&self) -> bool {
>> >> >> > #[inline]
>> >> >> > pub const fn from_bytes(bytes: &[u8]) -> &Self {
>> >> >> > // SAFETY: `BStr` is transparent to `[u8]`.
>> >> >> > - unsafe { &*(bytes as *const [u8] as *const BStr) }
>> >> >> > + unsafe { &*(core::mem::transmute::<*const [u8], *const Self>(bytes)) }
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hmm I'm not sure about using `transmute` here. Yes the types are
>> >> >> transparent, but I don't think that we should use it here.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's your suggestion? I initially tried
>> >> >
>> >> > let bytes: *const [u8] = bytes;
>> >> > unsafe { &*bytes.cast() }
>> >> >
>> >> > but that doesn't compile because of the implicit Sized bound on pointer::cast.
>> >>
>> >> This is AFAIK one of the only places where we cannot get rid of the `as`
>> >> cast. So:
>> >>
>> >> let bytes: *const [u8] = bytes;
>> >> // CAST: `BStr` transparently wraps `[u8]`.
>> >> let bytes = bytes as *const BStr;
>> >> // SAFETY: `bytes` is derived from a reference.
>> >> unsafe { &*bytes }
>> >>
>> >> IMO a `transmute` is worse than an `as` cast :)
>> >
>> > Hmm, looking at this again we can just transmute ref-to-ref and avoid
>> > pointers entirely. We're already doing that in
>> > `CStr::from_bytes_with_nul_unchecked`
>> >
>> > Why is transmute worse than an `as` cast?
>>
>> It's right in the docs: "`transmute` should be the absolute last
>> resort." [1]. IIRC, Gary was a bit more lenient in its use, but I think
>> we should avoid it as much as possible such that people copying code or
>> taking inspiration also don't use it.
>>
>> So for both cases I'd prefer an `as` cast.
>>
>> [1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/mem/fn.transmute.html
>
> I don't follow the logic. The trouble with `as` casts is that they are
> very lenient in what they allow, and to do these conversions with `as`
> casts requires ref -> pointer -> pointer -> pointer deref versus a
> single transmute. The safety comment perfectly describes why it's OK
> to do: the types are transparent. So why is `as` casting pointers
> better? It's just as unchecked as transmuting, and worse, it requires
> a raw pointer dereference.
Note that you're not transmuting `[u8]` to `BStr`, but `*const [u8]` to
`*const BStr`. Those pointers have provenance and I'm not sure if
transmuting them preserves it.
I tried to find some existing issues about the topic and found that
there exists a clippy lint `transmute_ptr_to_ptr`. There is an issue
asking for a better justification [1] and it seems like nobody provided
one there. Maybe we should ask the opsem team what happens to provenance
when transmuting?
[1]: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-clippy/issues/6372
---
Cheers,
Benno
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-26 16:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-25 20:07 [PATCH v7 0/7] rust: reduce `as` casts, enable related lints Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] rust: retain pointer mut-ness in `container_of!` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_as_ptr` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] rust: enable `clippy::ptr_cast_constness` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] rust: enable `clippy::as_ptr_cast_mut` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] rust: enable `clippy::as_underscore` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] rust: enable `clippy::cast_lossless` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 20:07 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] rust: enable `clippy::ref_as_ptr` lint Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 22:11 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 22:33 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-25 22:40 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 23:54 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 10:30 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 10:35 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 16:43 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-03-26 16:57 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 17:36 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 19:06 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 20:47 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 21:09 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-26 22:09 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-26 22:15 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-27 14:15 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-27 19:44 ` Tamir Duberstein
2025-03-27 22:17 ` Benno Lossin
2025-03-25 20:22 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] rust: reduce `as` casts, enable related lints Miguel Ojeda
2025-03-25 23:31 ` Tamir Duberstein
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