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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	virtio-comment@lists.linux.dev,
	"Claire Chang" <tientzu@chromium.org>,
	linux-devicetree <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Jörg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	graf@amazon.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 00:23:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_N9aqdeb9i0F9bl@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5cc2f558b0f4d387349c3a2936ff00430804536d.camel@infradead.org>

On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 11:15:33AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> Of course, the beauty of the restricted-dma-pool as supported by DT is
> that it's a *system* memory buffer, which is actually OK as long as
> it's reserved address space and not just part of normal system memory
> that an unsuspecting guest might use for general purposes. So the
> trusted part of the hypervisor (e.g. pKVM) can *allow* the VMM access
> to that space.
> 
> It doesn't *have* to be on-device. That just seemed like the more
> natural way to do it for PCI.

It isn't very natural.  For actual PCI devices it is a lot less efficient
compared to bounce buffering in special host memory.  For virtual device
that's not the case, but at least for Linux guest it still makes the setup
a lot more complicated as we can't just reuse the restricted-dma-pool
but need a new version of it that uses MMIO helpers and device specific
setup code.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-07  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-02 11:04 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Add Software IOTLB bounce buffer support David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] content: Add VIRTIO_F_SWIOTLB to negotiate use of SWIOTLB bounce buffers David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:12     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:47         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 15:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 16:16             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 16:43               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 17:10                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:37                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:43                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:44                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  8:10                         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:29                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  6:39                             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:44                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  6:45                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:41                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:31                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:45                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:06                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:13   ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  7:24     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:31       ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-04 10:27         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:34     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:54       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:22           ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  8:34             ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:57               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06  6:23                 ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03 13:19             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  7:28     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-03  8:06         ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  6:35           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  7:50             ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  8:09               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04  8:16                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04  8:32                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04  9:27                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:15                       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-04 10:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 11:15                           ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-06 18:28                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-06 18:47                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:30                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:54                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  9:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 10:09                                   ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 14:06                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 14:59                                       ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07 12:14                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 12:46                               ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:26                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-04-07  7:19                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  8:23               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-04  9:39                 ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-07  7:34                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  9:40                     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] transport-mmio: Document restricted-dma-pool SWIOTLB bounce buffer David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 11:04 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] transport-pci: Add SWIOTLB bounce buffer capability David Woodhouse
2025-04-02 14:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-02 15:21     ` David Woodhouse
2025-04-03  7:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  7:36     ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  7:37       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:12         ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03  8:37             ` Zhu Lingshan
2025-04-03  8:44     ` David Woodhouse

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