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From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com>
To: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
Cc: "Jonathan Cameron" <jic23@kernel.org>,
	"Antoniu Miclaus" <antoniu.miclaus@analog.com>,
	"Lars-Peter Clausen" <lars@metafoo.de>,
	"Michael Hennerich" <Michael.Hennerich@analog.com>,
	"Nuno Sá" <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Olivier Moysan" <olivier.moysan@foss.st.com>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] iio: adc: ad4080: add support for AD4880 dual-channel ADC
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2026 09:14:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZLDyWICGB_j0Z1Y@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dce24f01-2a8e-4b36-9685-6ff4293e2d5a@baylibre.com>

On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 05:16:47PM -0600, David Lechner wrote:
> On 2/15/26 2:03 AM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2026 at 12:31:12PM -0600, David Lechner wrote:
> >> On 2/14/26 12:11 PM, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2026 at 04:08:52PM +0000, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2026 14:50:23 +0200
> >>>> Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 06, 2026 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Antoniu Miclaus wrote:

...

> >>>>> I believe there is a better approach, what you need is rather a flag
> >>>>> to SPI core to tell that this is the device with shared CS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Antoniu, this comment from Andy needs addressing before we move
> >>>> on. It seems fairly fundamental and I'm not seeing a reply to it on list.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not entirely sure what Andy is suggesting will work but this
> >>>> is perhaps a mismatch in really understanding what is going on here.
> >>>> Andy, how would a flag work given they seem to be separately addressable
> >>>> SPI buses. I think this isn't a shared SPI CS, but rather a device
> >>>> with two entirely separate SPI buses. I think the only reason
> >>>> we are bothering to implement it as a single device at all is the
> >>>> shared backend.
> >>>
> >>> My understanding that there are two devices that for whatever reason share
> >>
> >> It is the opposite. It is a _single_ device with _two_ CS lines.
> > 
> > Don't we have already support for that? This changes the picture even more towards
> > NAKing this. See below why.
> 
> Yes, spi_new_ancillary_device() was introduced exactly for this sort
> of thing, which is why I think it makes sense to use it.
> 
> >> adc@0 {
> >> 	reg = <0>, <1>;
> >> 	...
> >> };
> >>
> >>> the same CS line. Yes, I probably misread the idea behind, but I meant
> >>> some flag for SPI device that tells SPI core that the CS it wants is shared
> >>> (maybe a high bit in the cs field or so), then CS core won't complain on
> >>> validation about using the same cs number which is "already in use".
> >>
> >> There was one existing user in the kernel of spi_new_ancillary_device()
> >> that looked like this, so it seemed the right way to approach it. However,
> >> code was added later that caused the primary SPI device to "claim" both
> >> CS lines for itself and probably broke the one existing user of
> >> spi_new_ancillary_device() (hard to tell without hardware to test).
> >>
> >> The idea here was to unbreak that so we could use spi_new_ancillary_device()
> >> just as in the existing use case.
> >>
> >> The patch for that could have been a bit more strict to only allow the
> >> spi_new_ancillary_device() to take CS 1 and fail otherwise, but users
> >> are going to notice if it isn't working right anyway, so I didn't ask
> >> for more checking.
> > 
> >>>> There is an argument that maybe we should be looking at how
> >>>> to do data muxing backends to support the more general case of two
> >>>> separate chips feeding into a single buffer, but that's a complex
> >>>> beast and I'm not sure if it is something we actually need.
> >>
> >> I think it would actually be quite similar to what is done in this
> >> series.
> > 
> > TBH, the change sounds to me like a hack. It doesn't cover other potential ways
> > of the multi-cs devices come into play. Given that SPI core supports multi-cs
> > I don't see a good justification for this patch.
> > 
> > What did I miss?
> 
> As far as I can tell, other than the one existing user of
> spi_new_ancillary_device(), other SPI multi-CS stuff is only used
> by SPI flash memory devices, not general SPI devices. There code
> that is being modified here was introduced to support the SPI
> flash memory devices, so that use case is already covered by
> existing code.

Right. And obvious question why can't we apply the same approach
to any SPI device? Like extending existing code to cover generic
cases.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-16  7:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-06 16:07 [PATCH v2 0/4] iio: adc: ad4080: add support for AD4880 dual-channel ADC Antoniu Miclaus
2026-02-06 16:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] spi: allow ancillary devices to share parent's chip selects Antoniu Miclaus
2026-02-07 18:09   ` David Lechner
2026-02-06 16:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] iio: backend: add devm_iio_backend_get_by_index() Antoniu Miclaus
2026-02-07 14:57   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-07 18:13   ` David Lechner
2026-02-08  9:24   ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-09 15:28     ` David Lechner
2026-02-09 16:47       ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-09 17:48         ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-09 18:20         ` David Lechner
2026-02-06 16:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] dt-bindings: iio: adc: ad4080: add AD4880 support Antoniu Miclaus
2026-02-07 10:41   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-02-08  9:16     ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-08  9:20       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-02-09 16:43         ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-09 17:13           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-02-09 17:45             ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-06 16:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] iio: adc: ad4080: add support for AD4880 dual-channel ADC Antoniu Miclaus
2026-02-07 15:04   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-07 18:29   ` David Lechner
2026-02-08  9:26   ` Nuno Sá
2026-02-08 12:50 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] " Andy Shevchenko
2026-02-14 16:08   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-14 18:11     ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-02-14 18:31       ` David Lechner
2026-02-15  8:03         ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-02-15 23:16           ` David Lechner
2026-02-16  7:14             ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2026-02-16 18:53               ` David Lechner
2026-02-17  8:28                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-02-17 22:55                   ` David Lechner
2026-02-18 19:08                     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-02-20 10:45                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-02-25 19:07 ` (subset) " Mark Brown

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