From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "David Woodhouse" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: References: <20131022093923.GC15640@ulmo.nvidia.com> <20131022150426.GF29341@beef> <20131022171346.GE4061@obsidianresearch.com> <20131023080630.GA14413@netboy> <20131023172955.GA17145@obsidianresearch.com> <20131023174458.GC5208@netboy> <1382553982.31058.10.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net> <20131024095232.27BBCC4039D@trevor.secretlab.ca> <1382614439.6040.16.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net> <1382615278.8522.72.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20131024122346.GD11296@ulmo.nvidia.com> <1382619655.6040.52.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net> <516bfc7f9366ff3ef9187c36dd160888.squirrel@twosheds.infradead.org> <1382621431.6040.66.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <1382621431.6040.66.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org> Sender: devicetree-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: mbizon-MmRyKUhfbQ9GWvitb5QawA@public.gmane.org Cc: David Woodhouse , Thierry Reding , Grant Likely , "devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , "ksummit-2013-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org" , Nicolas Pitre , Jason Gunthorpe , Matt Porter , "linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org" List-Id: devicetree@vger.kernel.org > > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 13:10 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote: > >> Note that you are not describing a normal "DT scenario" here. You are >> describing a case in which we screwed up > > AKA "real world" No. Absolutely not. That was a screwup, and it needs to be *rare*. The excuses you present for it are crappy and uunacceptable. >> So yes, after the public flogging has happened, and we're trying to >> work out how best to cope with the screwup, we don't necessarily have >> any perfect choices. The perfect choice was to do it properly in the >> first place. > > or avoid shooting ourselves in the foot in the first place, and keep > these unmodifiable stuff in kernel :) No. That doesn't scale. It doesn't work. We can cope with special-cases for the rare screw-up, but that's a *long* way from always special-casing *everything* as we used to. -- dwmw2 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html