From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
Ayush Singh <ayush@beagleboard.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-spec@vger.kernel.org,
Hui Pu <hui.pu@gehealthcare.com>,
Ian Ray <ian.ray@gehealthcare.com>,
Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>,
Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] libfdt: Don't assume that a FDT_BEGIN_NODE tag is available at offset 0
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 20:13:57 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajPE5eGcOwWMAeiN@zatzit> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260409115426.352214-3-herve.codina@bootlin.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2956 bytes --]
On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 01:54:18PM +0200, Herve Codina wrote:
> In several places, libfdt assumes that a FDT_BEGIN_NODE tag is present
> at the offset 0 of the structure block.
>
> This assumption is not correct. Indeed, a FDT_NOP can be present at the
> offset 0 and this is a legit case.
>
> fdt_first_node() has been introduced recently to get the offset of the
> first node (first FDT_BEGIN_NODE) in a fdt blob.
>
> Use this function to get the first node offset instead of looking for
> this node at offset 0.
>
> Signed-off-by: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
The problem is real, of course. But this approach to solving it with
a special case just for the root node is really ugly.
Granted, it's a problem of my own making - I chose not to create an
fdt_root_offset() function in the first place, instead making it part
of the API that offset 0 means the root node. Nonetheless, here we
are and the question is whether we can do better.
# Straightforward things first
- This patch should be folded with 1/10, they're both harder to
understand without the context of the other.
- If it must exist, the function should be fdt_root_offset(), not
fdt_first_node(), for at least three reasons:
* "first" in what sense?
* "first" amongst what set of nodes?
* We have a strong convention to always explicitly say "offset",
not just referring to offset values as "node" or "property".
This is deliberate: it's an attempt to discourage the otherwise
likely misunderstanding that a function getting a "node" gives
you some sort of persistent handle. "offset" makes it clearer
that the value will no longer be valid after a modification to
the tree.
- The situation described is subtle enough that this *really* needs a
testcase. It shouldn't be that hard: change the existing
'nopulate' test tool to add an FDT_NOP before the first tag, not
just after
# Is FDT_NOP before the root node actually legitimate?
Arguably the simplest solution here would be to explicitly ban this.
Yes, it would be a slightly odd restriction in the spec. However,
avoiding the mess in the library might be worth it. Note that this
situation can never arise from fdt_nop_node(), unless you apply it to
the root node, in which case there's no tree left.
# Less special casery
Even if we accept the need for FDT_NOP before the root node, I think
we can do better. The below implements this as a special case, just
for offset 0. Instead, we could allow all node operations on a
FDT_NOP offset, automatically advancing to the next FDT_BEGIN_NODE
tag. We may be able to do that in check_node_offset_() minimising
code duplication.
--
David Gibson (he or they) | I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au | minimalist, thank you, not the other way
| around.
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson
[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-18 14:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-09 11:54 [PATCH v2 00/10] Add support for structured tags and v18 dtb version Herve Codina
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] libfdt: Introduce fdt_first_node() Herve Codina
2026-06-04 20:59 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] libfdt: Don't assume that a FDT_BEGIN_NODE tag is available at offset 0 Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:04 ` Frank Li
2026-06-18 10:13 ` David Gibson [this message]
2026-06-18 19:17 ` Herve Codina
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] tests: asm: Introduce treehdr_vers macro Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:09 ` Frank Li
2026-06-18 10:15 ` David Gibson
2026-06-18 19:55 ` Herve Codina
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] Introduce structured tag value definition Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:14 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] fdtdump: Handle unknown tags Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:19 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] flattree: " Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:22 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] libfdt: Handle unknown tags in fdt_next_tag() Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:25 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] libfdt: Introduce fdt_ptr_offset_ Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:26 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] libfdt: Handle unknown tags on dtb modifications Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:30 ` Frank Li
2026-04-09 11:54 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] Introduce v18 dtb version Herve Codina
2026-06-04 21:33 ` Frank Li
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=ajPE5eGcOwWMAeiN@zatzit \
--to=david@gibson.dropbear.id.au \
--cc=ayush@beagleboard.org \
--cc=conor+dt@kernel.org \
--cc=devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=devicetree-spec@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=devicetree@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=geert@linux-m68k.org \
--cc=herve.codina@bootlin.com \
--cc=hui.pu@gehealthcare.com \
--cc=ian.ray@gehealthcare.com \
--cc=krzk@kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com \
--cc=robh@kernel.org \
--cc=thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox