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From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: "Thierry Reding" <thierry.reding@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Reserving memory on ACPI systems (was: [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64/mm: Add set_memory_device() and set_memory_normal())
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2026 09:36:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ak3v6dt_VIZTynT8@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akftuw9NyRy36fXA@willie-the-truck>

On Fri, Jul 03, 2026 at 06:13:31PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 06:41:23PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 03:46:44PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 06:08:15PM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > From: Chun Ng <chunn@nvidia.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Add helpers to swap PROT_NORMAL and PROT_DEVICE_nGnRnE protection bits
> > > > > on a kernel-linear-map range.
> > > > 
> > > > That sounds like a really terrible idea. Why is this necessary and how
> > > > does it interact with things like load_unaligned_zeropad()?
> > > 
> > > This is necessary because once the memory controller has walled off the
> > > new memory region the CPU must not access it under any circumstances or
> > > it'll cause the CPU to lock up (I think technically it'll hit an SError
> > > but in practice that just means it'll freeze, as far as I can tell).
> > > 
> > > Probably doesn't interact well at all with load_unaligned_zeropad().
> > > 
> > > > I think you should unmap the memory from the linear map and memremap()
> > > > it instead.
> > > 
> > > Given that the memory can never be accessed by the CPU after the memory
> > > controller locks it down, I don't think we'll even need memremap(). The
> > > only thing we really need is the sg_table we hand out via the DMA BUFs
> > > so that they can be used by device drivers to program their DMA engines
> > > internally.
> > > 
> > > Looking through some of the architecture code around this, shouldn't we
> > > simply be using set_memory_encrypted() and set_memory_decrypted() for
> > > this? While they might've been created for slightly other use-cases,
> > > they seem to be doing exactly what we want (i.e. remove the page range
> > > from the linear mapping and flushing it, or restoring the valid bit and
> > > standard permissions, respectively).
> > 
> > Ah... I guess we can't do it because we're not in a realm world and so
> > the early checks in __set_memory_enc_dec() would return early and turn
> > it into a no-op.
> > 
> > How about if I extract a common helper and provide set_memory_p() and
> > set_memory_np() in terms of those. Those are available on x86 and
> > PowerPC as well, so fairly standard. I suppose at that point we're
> > closer to set_memory_valid().
> 
> Why not just call set_direct_map_invalid_noflush() +
> flush_tlb_kernel_range() for each page? We already have APIs for this.
> 
> The big challenge I see with any linear map manipulation, however, is
> that it will rely on can_set_direct_map() which likely means you need to
> give up some performance and/or security to make this work. Does memory
> become inaccesible dynamically at runtime? If not, the best bet would
> be to describe it as a carveout in the DT and mark it as "no-map" so
> we avoid mapping it in the first place.

While I got your attention a bit off-topic but still related question.

AFAIK a lot in arm64 drivers ecosystem relies on that ranges defined as
"/reserved-memory" in DT are linked to devices that use that memory.

EFI/ACPI does not have a similar concept.

Given that more and more systems are using EFI/ACPI rather than DT as their
boot protocol we probably need some way to define such memory carveouts in
the ACPI world.
 
> Will

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-08  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 16:08 [PATCH v3 00/11] dma-buf: heaps: Add support for Tegra VPR Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] dt-bindings: reserved-memory: Document " Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 19:53   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2026-07-02 12:58     ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-08 21:18       ` Rob Herring
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] dt-bindings: display: tegra: Document memory regions Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:13   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 19:53   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2026-07-02 13:47     ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] dt-bindings: gpu: host1x: Document memory-regions for NVDEC Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:16   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] arm64/mm: Add set_memory_device() and set_memory_normal() Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-02  9:18   ` Will Deacon
2026-07-02 13:46     ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-02 16:41       ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-03 17:13         ` Will Deacon
2026-07-06 13:49           ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-07 11:27             ` Will Deacon
2026-07-07 13:17               ` Robin Murphy
2026-07-07 13:36                 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-07 14:15                   ` Robin Murphy
2026-07-08  6:22                     ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-08 12:50               ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-09 16:13                 ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-07 12:15             ` Robin Murphy
2026-07-08  6:08             ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-08  6:36           ` Mike Rapoport [this message]
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] bitmap: Add bitmap_allocate() function Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] mm/cma: Allow dynamically creating CMA areas Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:26   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03 18:29   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-07 10:02   ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-07-08  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-09  5:56       ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-07-09 10:08         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-09 15:59         ` Thierry Reding
2026-07-08  8:59   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-08 23:49   ` T.J. Mercier
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] dma-buf: heaps: Add debugfs support Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:27   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-03 12:14   ` Maxime Ripard
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] dma-buf: heaps: Add support for Tegra VPR Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:34   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] arm64: tegra: Add VPR placeholder node on Tegra234 Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] arm64: tegra: Hook up VPR to host1x Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 22:46   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 16:08 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] arm64: tegra: Add VPR placeholder node on Tegra264 Thierry Reding
2026-07-01 16:32   ` sashiko-bot

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