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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>
Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/5] irqchip: add dumb demultiplexer implementation
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:08:53 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1501201356370.5526@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLCkU0TA5YCa2h+NyaXxG2vDpGSaNqveAr9XcnFDfuRXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015, Rob Herring wrote:
>
> > We do not change shared interrupts in any way. We provide an
> > alternative mechanism for braindead hardware. And if the at91 folks
> > are fine with the DT change, then it's their decision. Nothing forces
> > this on everyone.
> 
> We are changing how shared interrupts are described in DT. We don't
> need 2 ways to describe them. We could say this is only for AT91 and
> continue to describe shared interrupts as has been done forever. Then
> the next platform that hits this problem will have to go thru the same
> ABI breakage. Or we change DT practices to describe all shared
> interrupts with a demux node. Given the way DTs are incrementally
> created, it is not something we can check with review or tools, so we
> will still have the same ABI breakage problem.

This is not describing the proper shared interrupts. This is a special
case for a special case of braindamaged hardware. Whats wrong with
doing that? We dont have to change that for all shared interrupts
because 99% of them have a proper hardware implementation and are not
affected by this.

What's wrong with serving the AT91 with a proper solution, which does
NOT inflict horrible hacks into the core code and does NOT weaken
sanity checks and does NOT require irq chip specific knowledge in
device drivers?

> >> There are probably ways to do this demux irqchip without a DT change.

So far you have not provided any useful hint how to do so.

> > What's the problem with a DT change for a single platform, if the
> > maintainers are willing to take it and deal with the fallout?
> 
> What's the solution for a platform that an ABI break is not okay and
> can't deal with the fallout?

There is no other platform affected. This is a break for a specific
set of devices and the 'fallout' is confined, well known and accepted.

So what's your problem, really?

Thanks,

	tglx
 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-20 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-13 18:46 [PATCH v2 0/5] ARM: at91: fix irq_pm_install_action WARNING Boris Brezillon
     [not found] ` <1421174781-4340-1-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-13 18:46   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] irqchip: add dumb demultiplexer implementation Boris Brezillon
2015-01-13 21:00     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-01-14  8:31       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14  3:26     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]       ` <CAL_JsqJ5DSo6jmAuHPDdV6pMca8BVbg5V-GZ5=2qu96_QYXMtQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14  8:22         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14 10:36         ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-01-14 22:24           ` Rob Herring
     [not found]             ` <CAL_JsqLwBvV5s531_YsA=sCE4_LG=eXTua8mh069ufRjSNFhng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 22:55               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-15  9:44                 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-15  9:11               ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-01-15  9:26                 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-15 15:40                 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-20 13:08                   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2015-01-20 20:07                     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]     ` <1421174781-4340-2-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 13:36       ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-14 14:03         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14 14:43           ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-13 18:46 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] irqchip: Add DT binding doc for dumb demuxer chips Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <1421174781-4340-3-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-13 19:00     ` Jason Cooper
     [not found]       ` <20150113190050.GZ24989-u4khhh1J0LxI1Ri9qeTfzeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-13 20:52         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14 18:56           ` Jason Cooper
     [not found]             ` <20150114185619.GB24989-u4khhh1J0LxI1Ri9qeTfzeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 19:08               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14 19:33                 ` Jason Cooper
2015-01-14 13:42     ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-13 18:46 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] ARM: at91/dt: select DUMB_IRQ_DEMUX for all at91 SoCs Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <1421174781-4340-4-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 13:45     ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-13 18:46 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] ARM: at91/dt: add AIC irq1 muxed peripheral id definitions Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <1421174781-4340-5-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 13:21     ` Nicolas Ferre
     [not found]       ` <54B66D6B.9050205-AIFe0yeh4nAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 13:34         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-01-14 13:40           ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-01-13 18:46 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] ARM: at91/dt: define a dumb irq demultiplexer chip connected on irq1 Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <1421174781-4340-6-git-send-email-boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-14 13:48     ` Nicolas Ferre

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