From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Chen-Yu Tsai <wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Maxime Ripard
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Corentin Labbe
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Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] net: stmmac: register parent MDIO node for sun8i-h3-emac
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:40:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bfe784b6-5137-8fcd-dbd0-ad96974f4060@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGb2v64E4T=1ff3POGuXZA=MvjGAnKQ6OF6A3sT_cU-=jh6zNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 08/22/2017 08:39 AM, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Andrew Lunn <andrew-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> All muxes are mostly always represented the same way afaik, or do you
>>> want to simply introduce a new compatible / property?
>>
>> + mdio-mux {
>> + compatible = "allwinner,sun8i-h3-mdio-switch";
>> + mdio-parent-bus = <&mdio_parent>;
>> + #address-cells = <1>;
>> + #size-cells = <0>;
>> +
>> + internal_mdio: mdio@1 {
>> reg = <1>;
>> - clocks = <&ccu CLK_BUS_EPHY>;
>> - resets = <&ccu RST_BUS_EPHY>;
>> + #address-cells = <1>;
>> + #size-cells = <0>;
>> + int_mii_phy: ethernet-phy@1 {
>> + compatible = "ethernet-phy-ieee802.3-c22";
>> + reg = <1>;
>> + clocks = <&ccu CLK_BUS_EPHY>;
>> + resets = <&ccu RST_BUS_EPHY>;
>> + phy-is-integrated;
>> + };
>> + };
>> + mdio: mdio@0 {
>> + reg = <0>;
>> + #address-cells = <1>;
>> + #size-cells = <0>;
>> };
>>
>> Hi Maxim
>>
>> Anybody who knows the MDIO-mux code/binding, knows that it is a run
>> time mux. You swap the mux per MDIO transaction. You can access all
>> the PHY and switches on the mux'ed MDIO bus.
>>
>> However here, it is effectively a boot-time MUX. You cannot change it
>> on the fly. What happens when somebody has a phandle to a PHY on the
>> internal and a phandle to a phy on the external? Does the driver at
>> least return -EINVAL, or -EBUSY? Is there a representation which
>> eliminates this possibility?
>
> There is only one controller. Either you use the internal PHY, which
> is then directly coupled (no magnetics needed) to the RJ45 port, or
> you use an external PHY over MII/RMII/RGMII. You could supposedly
> have both on a board, and let the user choose one. But why bother
> with the extra complexity and cost? Either you use the internal PHY
> at 100M, or an external RGMII PHY for gigabit speeds.
I agree, there is no point in over-engineering any of this. I don't
think there is actually any MDIO mux per-se in that the MDIO clock and
data lines are muxed, however there has to be some kind of built-in port
multiplexer that lets you chose between connecting to the internal PHY
and any external PHY/MAC, but that is not what a "mdio-mux" node represents.
>
> So I think what you are saying is either impossible or engineering-wise
> a very stupid design, like using an external MAC with a discrete PHY
> connected to the internal MAC's MDIO bus, while using the internal MAC
> with the internal PHY.
>
> Now can we please decide on something? We're a week and a half from
> the 4.13 release. If mdio-mux is wrong, then we could have two mdio
> nodes (internal-mdio & external-mdio).
I really don't see a need for a mdio-mux in the first place, just have
one MDIO controller (current state) sub-node which describes the
built-in STMMAC MDIO controller and declare the internal PHY as a child
node (along with 'phy-is-integrated'). If a different configuration is
used, then just put the external PHY as a child node there.
If fixed-link is required, the mdio node becomes unused anyway.
Works for everyone?
--
Florian
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-22 16:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-18 12:21 [PATCH v3 0/4] net: stmmac: Detect PHY location with phy-is-integrated Corentin Labbe
2017-08-18 12:21 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] ARM: dts: sunxi: h3/h5: represent the mdio switch used by sun8i-h3-emac Corentin Labbe
2017-08-18 12:21 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] net: stmmac: dwmac-sun8i: choose internal PHY via phy-is-integrated Corentin Labbe
2017-08-18 16:58 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-08-22 16:40 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-08-18 12:21 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] net: stmmac: register parent MDIO node for sun8i-h3-emac Corentin Labbe
2017-08-18 17:05 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-08-19 18:50 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-19 20:38 ` Andrew Lunn
[not found] ` <20170819203836.GA21567-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-20 6:57 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-20 14:25 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-08-21 8:10 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-08-21 13:20 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-08-21 13:31 ` Maxime Ripard
[not found] ` <20170821133104.qvrhvwin2rdg4aqo-ZC1Zs529Oq4@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-21 14:23 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-08-22 7:59 ` Corentin Labbe
[not found] ` <20170821142321.GE1703-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-22 15:39 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
[not found] ` <CAGb2v64E4T=1ff3POGuXZA=MvjGAnKQ6OF6A3sT_cU-=jh6zNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-22 16:40 ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2017-08-22 18:11 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-22 18:35 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-08-22 19:37 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-23 7:49 ` Maxime Ripard
2017-08-23 16:31 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-08-24 8:12 ` Maxime Ripard
2017-08-24 8:21 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-24 19:44 ` Corentin Labbe
2017-08-24 19:59 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-08-25 2:54 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
[not found] ` <CAGb2v64jrDPSff+QL_PQBMaQJ+CcTVbskjuOUd1OqR4smbu+ig-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-25 3:05 ` Florian Fainelli
[not found] ` <77ff97c1-9d0a-8b3f-d0b9-25c951f86fec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-25 3:41 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-08-25 3:59 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-08-25 13:26 ` Andrew Lunn
2017-08-22 16:50 ` Maxime Ripard
2017-08-18 12:21 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] dt-bindings: net: dwmac-sun8i: update documentation about integrated PHY Corentin Labbe
2017-08-18 16:57 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2017-08-19 18:33 ` Corentin Labbe
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