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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Neal Liu <neal.liu@mediatek.com>
Cc: "Julius Werner" <jwerner@google.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"open list:OPEN FIRMWARE AND FLATTENED DEVICE TREE BINDINGS"
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Sean Wang" <sean.wang@kernel.org>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
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	wsd_upstream <wsd_upstream@mediatek.com>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Linux Crypto Mailing List" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
	"Matthias Brugger" <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	"Crystal Guo (郭晶)" <Crystal.Guo@mediatek.com>,
	"Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, Jose.Marinho@arm.com
Subject: Re: Security Random Number Generator support
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 12:12:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e56f0f8da7fdc836e073a37c9baeda77@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1591170857.19414.5.camel@mtkswgap22>

On 2020-06-03 08:54, Neal Liu wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-06-03 at 08:40 +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
>> On 2020-06-03 08:29, Neal Liu wrote:

[...]

>> > Could you give us a hint how to make this SMC interface more generic in
>> > addition to my approach?
>> > There is no (easy) way to get platform-independent SMC function ID,
>> > which is why we encode it into device tree, and provide a generic
>> > driver. In this way, different devices can be mapped and then get
>> > different function ID internally.
>> 
>> The idea is simply to have *one* single ID that caters for all
>> implementations, just like we did for PSCI at the time. This
>> requires ARM to edict a standard, which is what I was referring
>> to above.
>> 
>> There is zero benefit in having a platform-dependent ID. It just
>> pointlessly increases complexity, and means we cannot use the RNG
>> before the firmware tables are available (yes, we need it that
>> early).
>> 
>>          M.
> 
> Do you know which ARM expert could edict this standard?
> Or is there any chance that we can make one? And be reviewed by
> maintainers?

Sudeep already mentioned Jose's effort to offer a standard.
Hopefully he will *soon* be able to give us something that can be
implemented everywhere (firmware, kernel, but also hypervisors),
as the need exists across the whole stack.

         M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-03 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-02  8:14 Security Random Number Generator support Neal Liu
2020-06-02  8:14 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] dt-bindings: rng: add bindings for sec-rng Neal Liu
2020-06-02  8:14 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] hwrng: add sec-rng driver Neal Liu
2020-06-02 10:38   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-06-02 12:14 ` Security Random Number Generator support Ard Biesheuvel
2020-06-02 13:02   ` Marc Zyngier
2020-06-03  7:29     ` Neal Liu
2020-06-03  7:40       ` Marc Zyngier
2020-06-03  7:54         ` Neal Liu
2020-06-03  9:48           ` Sudeep Holla
2020-06-03 11:12           ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2020-06-18  9:50           ` Marc Zyngier
2020-06-19  1:47             ` Neal Liu
2020-06-03  9:34         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-05  7:19           ` Neal Liu
2020-06-05  8:09             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-05  8:59               ` Neal Liu
2020-06-05  9:27                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-08  7:49                 ` Sumit Garg

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