From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D5F82F8EBF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=195.121.94.186 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783006403; cv=none; b=KGqpGAor/eP9GH3CSey9jMXYU3y7BF3MecTFXFw9N8iO96mj8qPWZxvV4wDzVHBCqXXz9nBSf/+h+zvS+epMQBD19Qz1GFUNzFLj6QkzqucKev9yR3s16WaO4zz3J6PTBHZIzGWIzDteRU9+q7efXevvi1yORvGF2ZuScQ5n1NM= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783006403; c=relaxed/simple; bh=6+FOGgp4zzePfz4mEYW62UyRjtfv/25YQIJRauA6qj8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rHbRH+PVN5hkE5Gjqa6X348ka6TMv6WxReqvRSjPIhpO+Lz9lDxdNrxxqcmm6IM1BKBOUi61PtBRB5cLhKPWogSM8ASQWvAvjcuFLqjtZgQ2GcSkoVFF16jUejA0BJgKwIWF6qHk1oK07mKrguos1VwD3jCzk9ZfZlanpf1cunM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=xs4all.nl; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=xs4all.nl; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=xs4all.nl header.i=@xs4all.nl header.b=hcDea4j4; arc=none smtp.client-ip=195.121.94.186 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=reject dis=none) header.from=xs4all.nl Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=xs4all.nl Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=xs4all.nl header.i=@xs4all.nl header.b="hcDea4j4" X-KPN-MessageId: 566d04c1-762b-11f1-bfba-00505699b430 Received: from mta.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.161.190]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 566d04c1-762b-11f1-bfba-00505699b430; Thu, 02 Jul 2026 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mtaoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.128.135.190]) by mta.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTP id 566bc83b-762b-11f1-b2fb-0050569977a2; Thu, 02 Jul 2026 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xs4all.nl; s=xs4all01; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:message-id:to:from:date; bh=WvRby7nWdKkPfgg1YGrRbzS6rYiEI/bAfqEiULM34s8=; b=hcDea4j44mVeLZJ2O3CpWJvQSib/wwcogega2L8/HU4BooVE7o5xEE7AD5eGxR6uhh/O2LFLpCpv8 m0LAN1SGAjrmkfriUsXlO/03VjB7ZwizuxaXcN2Z5SnpCSNukpGEdlPkVv+qy3QI+++7KqtF12xq9o st5QRv7uzv39tlEPQf+PNi+nsal/jWOE/yA7urH7yebUUvVzm332+C/L8pUIQFh4ESVdeT+nonWbJt xoS9zIXZtFcwPYlveTn+xIuc+SKQfGiAL0YAIsq73USb6rsv1yueYb+G4+/DSfTWjjX00+V29GMxqi JUoFAI3oZKvbvuExbOLSTs6I+pSNkOw== X-KPN-MID: 33|kMZtHkKLbcYpIFkbOIByUxO8S5Ppan/BpkZOKGlvAuukHK68krF7xLgskdCNagy EMgARzD2qpmDWXDg3M6WWB78IfUjZNsDhdcG0xqvrTQc= X-CMASSUN: 33|rXWkDtkJkurxpzJh3rFxsTHtFC5VZWkhbCp8YRpP39GWxSS+v71q70JqaKwUeqf LaxoQmMxOZKbEQIDtGQR0cg== X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes Received: from cpxoxapps-mh03 (cpxoxapps-mh03.personalcloud.so.kpn.org [10.128.135.209]) by mtaoutbound.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 565f692a-762b-11f1-916a-005056995d6c; Thu, 02 Jul 2026 17:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:33:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Jori Koolstra To: Greg KH , Jeff Layton Cc: Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Justin Stitt , Lorenzo Stoakes , Laurent Pinchart , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , David Hildenbrand , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <128935557.3798727.1783006392991@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: <2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh> References: <20260702-aidoc-v1-1-735572dfb995@kernel.org> <2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal > Op 02-07-2026 17:07 CEST schreef Greg KH : > > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:32:48AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for several > > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio from this > > is quite low. > > > > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to attribute > > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons. > > Then let's move to get people to follow it. > > > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM companies. > > Who cares, make up a name, all I want is the "signal" that someone is > using a LLM so that I can review it as-such. And if I think someone is > not reporting that, I can ask for them to properly attribute it and if > they lie, well, that's on them. > > > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first place. > > We want to know if a LLM is being used. > > > Given that the data this provides is flawed at best and is being > > collected for a purpose that isn't clear, let's just kill the > > requirement for these tags from the kernel at large. > > No, please do not do this. It's useful already for many patches in my > subsystems, and is only going to be used more in the future. > > thanks, > > greg k-h Why not: Keep the tag like David suggested as: Assisted-by: LLM # automated removal of useless blabla I am indifferent to whether this should be a tag or just below the --- . And add something like the systemd guidelines that Christian linked to to the AI Coding Assistants doc page. This provides much more useful guidelines than what is currently there. I triggered this whole discussion by reading the page and adding the model to some clean-up commits, so some people do read it... Best, Jori.