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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com, pjt@google.com,
	luto@amacapital.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] cpuset: Enable cpuset controller in default hierarchy
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 03:49:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1521082141.7100.1.camel@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180314195711.GD2943022@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com>

On Wed, 2018-03-14 at 12:57 -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 04:47:28AM +0100, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > Some form of cpu_exclusive (preferably exactly that, but something else
> > could replace it) is needed to define sets that must not overlap any
> > other set at creation time or any time thereafter.  A set with property
> > 'exclusive' is the enabler for fundamentally exclusive (but dynamic!)
> > set properties such as 'isolated' (etc etc).
> 
> I'm not sure cpu_exclusive makes sense.  A controller knob can either
> belong to the parent or the cgroup itself and cpu_exclusive doesn't
> make sense in either case.
> 
> 1. cpu_exclusive is owned by the parent as other usual resource
>    control knobs.  IOW, it's not delegatable.
> 
>    This is weird because it's asking the kernel to protect against its
>    own misconfiguration and there's nothing preventing cpu_exclusive
>    itself being cleared by the same entitya.
> 
> 2. cpu_exclusive is owned by the cgroup itself like memory.oom_group.
>    IOW, it's delegatable.
> 
>    This allows a cgroup to affect what its siblings can or cannot do,
>    which is broken.  Semantically, it doesn't make much sense either.
> 
> I don't think it's a good idea to add a kernel mechanism to prevent
> misconfiguration from a single entity.

Under the hood v2 details are entirely up to you.  My input ends at
please don't leave dynamic partitioning standing at the dock when v2
sails.

	-Mike
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-15  2:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-09 15:35 [PATCH v4] cpuset: Enable cpuset controller in default hierarchy Waiman Long
2018-03-09 16:34 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-09 17:23   ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-09 17:45   ` Waiman Long
2018-03-09 18:17     ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-09 18:20       ` Waiman Long
2018-03-09 19:40         ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-09 20:43           ` Waiman Long
2018-03-09 22:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-09 23:06               ` Waiman Long
2018-03-10  3:47                 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-14 19:57                   ` Tejun Heo
2018-03-15  2:49                     ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2018-03-19 15:34                       ` Tejun Heo
2018-03-19 20:49                         ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-19 21:41                           ` Waiman Long
2018-03-20  4:25                             ` Mike Galbraith
2018-03-10 13:16                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-12 14:20                   ` Waiman Long
2018-03-12 15:21                     ` Mike Galbraith

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