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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: update THP documentation to clarify sysfs "never" setting
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 06:25:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16f7d3d5-ba14-43fa-948c-6562024c0dae@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <35df32ae-dc95-48e1-bdb1-90f17bfd4d5c@linux.alibaba.com>

On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 09:30:18AM +0800, Baolin Wang wrote:
>
>
> On 2025/7/21 23:55, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > Rather confusingly, setting all Transparent Huge Page sysfs settings to
> > "never" does not in fact result in THP being globally disabled.
> >
> > Rather, it results in khugepaged being disabled, but one can still obtain
> > THP pages using madvise(..., MADV_COLLAPSE).
> >
> > This is something that has remained poorly documented for some time, and it
> > is likely the received wisdom of most users of THP that never does, in
> > fact, mean never.
> >
> > It is therefore important to highlight, very clearly, that this is not the
> > ase.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> > ---
> >   Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst | 11 +++++++++--
> >   1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> > index dff8d5985f0f..182519197ef7 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.rst
> > @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ sysfs
> >   Global THP controls
> >   -------------------
> > -Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be entirely disabled
> > +Transparent Hugepage Support for anonymous memory can be disabled
> >   (mostly for debugging purposes) or only enabled inside MADV_HUGEPAGE
> >   regions (to avoid the risk of consuming more memory resources) or enabled
> >   system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of::
> > @@ -119,6 +119,11 @@ system wide. This can be achieved per-supported-THP-size with one of::
> >   where <size> is the hugepage size being addressed, the available sizes
> >   for which vary by system.
> > +.. note:: Setting "never" in all sysfs THP controls does **not** disable
> > +          Transparent Huge Pages globally. This is because ``madvise(...,
> > +          MADV_COLLAPSE)`` ignores these settings and collapses ranges to
> > +          PMD-sized huge pages unconditionally.
> > +
> >   For example::
> >   	echo always >/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-2048kB/enabled
> > @@ -187,7 +192,9 @@ madvise
> >   	behaviour.
> >   never
> > -	should be self-explanatory.
> > +	should be self-explanatory. Note that ``madvise(...,
> > +	MADV_COLLAPSE)`` can still cause transparent huge pages to be
> > +	obtained even if this mode is specified everywhere.
>
> I hope this part of the explanation is also copy-pasted into the 'Hugepages
> in tmpfs/shmem' section. Otherwise look good to me. Thanks.

Thanks, will send a fix-patch to add it there too!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-22  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-21 15:55 [PATCH] docs: update THP documentation to clarify sysfs "never" setting Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-21 16:27 ` SeongJae Park
2025-07-22  1:13 ` Zi Yan
2025-07-22  1:30 ` Baolin Wang
2025-07-22  2:23   ` Barry Song
2025-07-22  2:33     ` Baolin Wang
2025-07-22  3:37       ` Barry Song
2025-07-22  5:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 15:41           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-22  5:24     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-22  5:25   ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-07-22  5:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-22  5:59   ` Baolin Wang
2025-07-22  8:19   ` Barry Song
2025-07-22  7:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-22  7:59   ` David Hildenbrand

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