From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on archive.lwn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by archive.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B156D7E22E for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758603AbeD0QI4 (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:08:56 -0400 Received: from usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com ([217.140.101.70]:43290 "EHLO foss.arm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1758276AbeD0QIz (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:08:55 -0400 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.72.51.249]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC9B15AD; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 09:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edgewater-inn.cambridge.arm.com (usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com [10.72.51.249]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E174E3F487; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by edgewater-inn.cambridge.arm.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F0B141AE523C; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:09:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:09:14 +0100 From: Will Deacon To: Kim Phillips Cc: Mark Rutland , Ganapatrao Kulkarni , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, jnair@caviumnetworks.com, Robert.Richter@cavium.com, Vadim.Lomovtsev@cavium.com, Jan.Glauber@cavium.com, gklkml16@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ThunderX2: Add Cavium ThunderX2 SoC UNCORE PMU driver Message-ID: <20180427160914.GA5286@arm.com> References: <20180425090047.6485-1-ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com> <20180425090047.6485-3-ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com> <20180426170624.bfcba885431d57d0de2a3ddd@arm.com> <20180427093027.ngtuoezyh6mtz26p@lakrids.cambridge.arm.com> <20180427081525.f9dcc756678baf3bb6e6e473@arm.com> <20180427143719.GA5093@arm.com> <20180427104629.2bff4b4b683a93ddf39f8df5@arm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180427104629.2bff4b4b683a93ddf39f8df5@arm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-doc-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Kim, [Ganapat: please don't let this discussion disrupt your PMU driver development. You can safely ignore it for now :)] On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:46:29AM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote: > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:37:20 +0100 > Will Deacon wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:15:25AM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:30:27 +0100 > > > Mark Rutland wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 05:06:24PM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:30:47 +0530 > > > > > Ganapatrao Kulkarni wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +static int thunderx2_uncore_event_init(struct perf_event *event) > > > > > > > > > This PMU driver can be made more user-friendly by not just silently > > > > > returning an error code such as -EINVAL, but by emitting a useful > > > > > message describing the specific error via dmesg. > > > > > > > > As has previously been discussed on several occasions, patches which log > > > > to dmesg in a pmu::event_init() path at any level above pr_debug() are > > > > not acceptable -- dmesg is not intended as a mechanism to inform users > > > > of driver-specific constraints. > > > > > > I disagree - drivers do it all the time, using dev_err(), dev_warn(), etc. > > > > > > > I would appreciate if in future you could qualify your suggestion with > > > > the requirement that pr_debug() is used. > > > > > > It shouldn't - the driver isn't being debugged, it's in regular use. > > > > For anything under drivers/perf/, I'd prefer not to have these prints > > and instead see efforts to improve error reporting via the perf system > > call interface. > > We'd all prefer that, and for all PMU drivers, why should ones under > drivers/perf be treated differently? Because they're the ones I maintain... > As you are already aware, I've personally tried to fix this problem - > that has existed since before the introduction of the perf tool (I > consider it a syscall-independent enhanced error interface), multiple > times, and failed. Why is that my problem? Try harder? > So until someone comes up with a solution that works for everyone > up to and including Linus Torvalds (who hasn't put up a problem > pulling PMU drivers emitting things to dmesg so far, by the way), this > keep PMU drivers' errors silent preference of yours is unnecessarily > impeding people trying to measure system performance on Arm based > machines - all other archs' maintainers are fine with PMU drivers using > dmesg. Good for them, although I'm pretty sure that at least the x86 folks are against this crap too. > > Anyway, I think this driver has bigger problems that need addressing. > > To me it represents yet another PMU driver submission - as the years go > by - that is lacking in the user messaging area. Which reminds me, can > you take another look at applying this?: As I said before, I'm not going to take anything that logs above pr_debug for things that are directly triggerable from userspace. Spin a version using pr_debug and I'll queue it. Have a good weekend, Will -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html