From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on archive.lwn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by archive.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1DB7D089 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1725975AbeLCMQJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:16:09 -0500 Received: from atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ([195.113.26.193]:44395 "EHLO atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725883AbeLCMQJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:16:09 -0500 Received: by atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Postfix, from userid 512) id 1E7C18092F; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:15:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 13:15:19 +0100 From: Pavel Machek To: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Jonathan Corbet , Frank Rowand , Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Tomi Valkeinen , Bart Van Assche , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Message-ID: <20181203121519.GA7478@amd> References: <20181202093257.3918-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181203110506.GA7485@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181203110506.GA7485@kroah.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: linux-doc-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon 2018-12-03 12:05:06, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 10:32:57AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > >=20 > > Furthermore, this list is already overly long, polarizing, > > politically-laden, and reinstating the concept of human races. > > None of these is related to the goals of the Linux kernel project. > >=20 > > Avoid any ambiguity or political undertone by removing the list, to > > ensure "a harassment-free experience for everyone", period. >=20 > I understand the reason you and others are proposing this change, > however for now, let us stick with the text that we have. As Linus and > I said just over a month ago, let's sit with the text we have until > something comes up that requires a change to happen. >=20 > Also, I recommend you work with the upstream developers of this text to > see if they agree with your changes here. If they do, and update their > version, I will be glad to revisit this text at that time. > But everyone, please note that there are very specific reasons for > listing things like this. You might not agree with those reasons, So what are the reasons? You marked yourself as a maintainer (and I do not think community agreement exists that you should be maintaining this), yet you refuse to take changes, pointing that there's "upstream". > many other people do so each "camp" can not be happy in the end. As we > did have 3 years without such a list of factors, perhaps it is time to > have 3 years with the list to provide a fair balance. :) What kind of argumentation faul is this? Aha. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation=20 > So I'm not going to accept this patch at this point in time, sorry. Linus, I don't think Greg is doing good job maintaining this. Can you take the patch? (Or explain what is going on here, because I don't think public has full story). Thanks, Pavel --=20 (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blo= g.html --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlwFHlcACgkQMOfwapXb+vLG+gCgsCzEOCgkrssfSD8rr1Wi2j6a 0YgAoLh5kKJ7KXGG4rb8se0dkDn7JYVh =v40D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX--