* [PATCH v2] docs: submitting-patches: Discuss interleaved replies
@ 2023-05-11 18:41 Kees Cook
2023-05-13 9:13 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-05-19 15:28 ` Jonathan Corbet
0 siblings, 2 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Kees Cook @ 2023-05-11 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jonathan Corbet
Cc: Kees Cook, Thorsten Leemhuis, Rong Tao, Lukas Bulwahn,
Zhangfei Gao, linux-doc, linux-hardening, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
Tyler Hicks, Nick Desaulniers, Jiri Kosina, Matthieu Baerts,
Krzysztof Kozlowski, Xujun Leng, linux-kernel
Top-posting has been strongly discouraged in Linux development, but this
was actually not written anywhere in the common documentation about
sending patches and replying to reviews. Add a section about trimming
and interleaved replies.
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
Cc: Rong Tao <rtoax@foxmail.com>
Cc: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>
Cc: Zhangfei Gao <zhangfei.gao@foxmail.com>
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Acked-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
---
v2:
- rewrite 2.Process.rst to be postive and link to new section.
- fix typos and phrasing (Thorsten)
- add missing "::" for block quotes
- add Greg's Ack
v1: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230510183423.never.877-kees@kernel.org
---
Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 7 +++---
Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
index 6a919cffcbfd..9ab58a0d4fac 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
@@ -434,9 +434,10 @@ There are a few hints which can help with linux-kernel survival:
questions. Some developers can get impatient with people who clearly
have not done their homework.
-- Avoid top-posting (the practice of putting your answer above the quoted
- text you are responding to). It makes your response harder to read and
- makes a poor impression.
+- Use interleaved ("inline") replies, which makes your response easier to
+ read. (i.e. avoid top-posting -- the practice of putting your answer above
+ the quoted text you are responding to.) For more details, see
+ :ref:`Documentation/process/submittingpatches.rst <interleaved_replies>`.
- Ask on the correct mailing list. Linux-kernel may be the general meeting
point, but it is not the best place to find developers from all
diff --git a/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst b/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
index 486875fd73c0..efac910e2659 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
@@ -331,6 +331,31 @@ explaining difference against previous submission (see
See Documentation/process/email-clients.rst for recommendations on email
clients and mailing list etiquette.
+.. _interleaved_replies:
+
+Use trimmed interleaved replies in email discussions
+----------------------------------------------------
+Top-posting is strongly discouraged in Linux kernel development
+discussions. Interleaved (or "inline") replies make conversations much
+easier to follow. For more details see:
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
+
+As is frequently quoted on the mailing list::
+
+ A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post
+ Q: Were do I find info about this thing called top-posting?
+ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
+ Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
+ A: Top-posting.
+ Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
+
+Similarly, please trim all unneeded quotations that aren't relevant
+to your reply. This makes responses easier to find, and saves time and
+space. For more details see: http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/on_top ::
+
+ A: No.
+ Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
+
.. _resend_reminders:
Don't get discouraged - or impatient
--
2.34.1
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* Re: [PATCH v2] docs: submitting-patches: Discuss interleaved replies
2023-05-11 18:41 [PATCH v2] docs: submitting-patches: Discuss interleaved replies Kees Cook
@ 2023-05-13 9:13 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-05-19 15:28 ` Jonathan Corbet
1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Krzysztof Kozlowski @ 2023-05-13 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kees Cook, Jonathan Corbet
Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis, Rong Tao, Lukas Bulwahn, Zhangfei Gao,
linux-doc, linux-hardening, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Tyler Hicks,
Nick Desaulniers, Jiri Kosina, Matthieu Baerts, Xujun Leng,
linux-kernel
On 11/05/2023 20:41, Kees Cook wrote:
> Top-posting has been strongly discouraged in Linux development, but this
> was actually not written anywhere in the common documentation about
> sending patches and replying to reviews. Add a section about trimming
> and interleaved replies.
>
> Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Reviewed-by: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski@linaro.org>
Best regards,
Krzysztof
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* Re: [PATCH v2] docs: submitting-patches: Discuss interleaved replies
2023-05-11 18:41 [PATCH v2] docs: submitting-patches: Discuss interleaved replies Kees Cook
2023-05-13 9:13 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
@ 2023-05-19 15:28 ` Jonathan Corbet
1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Corbet @ 2023-05-19 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kees Cook
Cc: Kees Cook, Thorsten Leemhuis, Rong Tao, Lukas Bulwahn,
Zhangfei Gao, linux-doc, linux-hardening, Greg Kroah-Hartman,
Tyler Hicks, Nick Desaulniers, Jiri Kosina, Matthieu Baerts,
Krzysztof Kozlowski, Xujun Leng, linux-kernel
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> writes:
> Top-posting has been strongly discouraged in Linux development, but this
> was actually not written anywhere in the common documentation about
> sending patches and replying to reviews. Add a section about trimming
> and interleaved replies.
>
> Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
> Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
> Cc: Rong Tao <rtoax@foxmail.com>
> Cc: Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>
> Cc: Zhangfei Gao <zhangfei.gao@foxmail.com>
> Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
> Acked-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> ---
> v2:
> - rewrite 2.Process.rst to be postive and link to new section.
> - fix typos and phrasing (Thorsten)
> - add missing "::" for block quotes
> - add Greg's Ack
> v1: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230510183423.never.877-kees@kernel.org
> ---
> Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 7 +++---
> Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++
> 2 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
Applied, thanks.
jon
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