From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 542F313A262; Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1707936536; cv=none; b=XdVRKPISpgtKbxAkL+hdDAHq3UdxW+esgWTac07GhBTAn2fyzCkLt5+kZyPmjD/HxFLlxQDsaV6FEPeaqVRkUq44fmsCTxwsNFcWeegMS5CDKR5z6eeIZs/EhkwcAKIt/6fpFia+tR2d5L4tfX6T5EKUGJz1eId505rHGJYE7Z8= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1707936536; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ejiWvMBTFfDP5bYwemxPHCGB5A7hNC8yP0sXjxxKzhg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=Dfb2JgiIlNyMaWTZEJq+knUi70zbAt8DQC1Nlo8VH0I2iDWF+nu0MuANEbXWTy/MWEOiRyRjO2CWxPuu8muL0aYoyZzDKpnGbJFWlzoX+ledO9p02Ut4EN533e/Nhxms9Vna/TZBG7Y44RCzSyeHLJKciMstezXz5WPNR1mce2M= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b=U+4WPR7F; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="U+4WPR7F" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AE04C433C7; Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1707936535; bh=ejiWvMBTFfDP5bYwemxPHCGB5A7hNC8yP0sXjxxKzhg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=U+4WPR7F+47WH60A3+xBF8axrzPeVAgwicuRlfc9bYhYJrvhtOwpLzXZ7qvEGQDng qRdBIJQI1aIdcuCJFL0aAZRTqMMRJ9pBxBZrwOWp4dtlNvW8kLLpaT8+02Dwvx1aLf CGhn3AYWvzcALYu4/qR3qe51l2t4eNN05rB6IPuY= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:48:52 +0100 From: Greg Kroah-Hartman To: Petr =?utf-8?B?VGVzYcWZw61r?= Cc: Andrew Morton , Petr Tesarik , Jonathan Corbet , David Kaplan , Larry Dewey , Elena Reshetova , Carlos Bilbao , "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" , Randy Dunlap , Petr Mladek , "Paul E. McKenney" , Eric DeVolder , Marc =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aur=E8le?= La France , "Gustavo A. R. Silva" , Nhat Pham , "Christian Brauner (Microsoft)" , Douglas Anderson , Luis Chamberlain , Guenter Roeck , Mike Christie , Kent Overstreet , Maninder Singh , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , open list , Roberto Sassu , Petr Tesarik Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 5/5] sbm: SandBox Mode documentation Message-ID: <2024021417-magma-drudge-ad70@gregkh> References: <20240214113035.2117-1-petrtesarik@huaweicloud.com> <20240214113035.2117-6-petrtesarik@huaweicloud.com> <20240214053053.982b48d993ae99dad1d59020@linux-foundation.org> <2024021425-audition-expand-2901@gregkh> <20240214155524.719ffb15@meshulam.tesarici.cz> <2024021415-jokester-cackle-2923@gregkh> <20240214173112.138e0e29@meshulam.tesarici.cz> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20240214173112.138e0e29@meshulam.tesarici.cz> On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:31:12PM +0100, Petr Tesařík wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 16:11:05 +0100 > Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 03:55:24PM +0100, Petr Tesařík wrote: > > > OK, so why didn't I send the whole thing? > > > > > > Decomposition of the kernel requires many more changes, e.g. in linker > > > scripts. Some of them depend on this patch series. Before I go and > > > clean up my code into something that can be submitted, I want to get > > > feedback from guys like you, to know if the whole idea would be even > > > considered, aka "Fail Fast". > > > > We can't honestly consider this portion without seeing how it would > > work, as we don't even see a working implementation that uses it to > > verify it at all. > > > > The joy of adding new frameworks is that you need a user before anyone > > can spend the time to review it, sorry. > > Thank your for a quick assessment. Will it be sufficient if I send some > code for illustration (with some quick&dirty hacks to bridge the gaps), > or do you need clean and nice kernel code? We need a real user in the kernel, otherwise why would we even consider it? Would you want to review a new subsystem that does nothing and has no real users? If not, why would you want us to? :) thanks, greg k-h