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From: Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>
To: "Clément Léger" <cleger@rivosinc.com>
Cc: "Charlie Jenkins" <charlie@rivosinc.com>,
	"Jesse Taube" <jesse@rivosinc.com>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/8] RISC-V: Check Zicclsm to set unaligned access speed
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 14:58:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240701-ajar-italicize-9e3d9b8a0264@spud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43941f48-9905-4b25-89ef-6ad75bf1a123@rivosinc.com>

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On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 09:15:09AM +0200, Clément Léger wrote:
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2024 23:20, Charlie Jenkins wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Conor Dooley wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 08:49:57PM -0400, Jesse Taube wrote:
> >>> Check for Zicclsm before checking for unaligned access speed. This will
> >>> greatly reduce the boot up time as finding the access speed is no longer
> >>> necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Jesse Taube <jesse@rivosinc.com>
> >>> ---
> >>> V2 -> V3:
> >>>  - New patch split from previous patch
> >>> ---
> >>>  arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c | 26 ++++++++++++++--------
> >>>  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c b/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
> >>> index a9a6bcb02acf..329fd289b5c8 100644
> >>> --- a/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
> >>> +++ b/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
> >>> @@ -259,23 +259,31 @@ static int check_unaligned_access_speed_all_cpus(void)
> >>>  	kfree(bufs);
> >>>  	return 0;
> >>>  }
> >>> +#else /* CONFIG_RISCV_PROBE_UNALIGNED_ACCESS */
> >>> +static int check_unaligned_access_speed_all_cpus(void)
> >>> +{
> >>> +	return 0;
> >>> +}
> >>> +#endif
> >>>  
> >>>  static int check_unaligned_access_all_cpus(void)
> >>>  {
> >>> -	bool all_cpus_emulated = check_unaligned_access_emulated_all_cpus();
> >>> +	bool all_cpus_emulated;
> >>> +	int cpu;
> >>> +
> >>> +	if (riscv_has_extension_unlikely(RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZICCLSM)) {
> >>> +		for_each_online_cpu(cpu) {
> >>> +			per_cpu(misaligned_access_speed, cpu) = RISCV_HWPROBE_MISALIGNED_FAST;
> >>
> >> - const: zicclsm
> >>   description:
> >>     The standard Zicclsm extension for misaligned support for all regular
> >>     load and store instructions (including scalar and vector) but not AMOs
> >>     or other specialized forms of memory access. Defined in the
> >>     RISC-V RVA Profiles Specification. 
> >>
> >> Doesn't, unfortunately, say anywhere there that they're actually fast :(
> > 
> > Oh no! That is unfortunate that the ISA does not explicitly call that
> > out, but I think that acceptable.
> > 
> > If a vendor puts Zicclsm in their isa string, they should expect
> > software to take advantage of misaligned accesses. FAST is our signal to
> > tell software that they should emit misaligned accesses.
> 
> AFAIK, Zicclsm is not even an ISA extension, simply a profile
> specification which means that only the execution environment which
> provides the profile support misaligned accesses (cf
> https://lists.riscv.org/g/tech-profiles/message/56).

I dunno, the specification status page used to describe it as an
extension:
https://wiki.riscv.org/display/HOME/Specification+Status+-+Historical
My understanding was that these could be considered extensions, just
like we are considering svade to be one.

> . I don't think we
> can extrapolate that the misaligned accesses will be fast at all.

That is my opinion on it too. If it doesn't say "fast" and give a
definition for what that means in the binding, then we can't assume that
it is fast. I'm also wary of extending definitions of extensions in the
binding, because a) I am 90% sure that people writing devicetrees don't
care and b) it'd be a potential difference between DT and ACPI without a
real justification (unlike the zkr or svade/svadu situations).

> > This allows for a generic kernel, like the one a distro would compile, to
> > skip the probing when booting on a system that explicitly called out
> > that the hardware supports misaligned accesses.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-01 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-25  0:49 [PATCH v3 0/8] RISC-V: Detect and report speed of unaligned vector accesses Jesse Taube
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 1/8] RISC-V: Add Zicclsm to cpufeature and hwprobe Jesse Taube
2024-06-26 14:41   ` Conor Dooley
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 2/8] dt-bindings: riscv: Add Zicclsm ISA extension description Jesse Taube
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 3/8] RISC-V: Check scalar unaligned access on all CPUs Jesse Taube
2024-07-10 15:55   ` Evan Green
2024-07-11 20:25     ` Jesse Taube
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] RISC-V: Check Zicclsm to set unaligned access speed Jesse Taube
2024-06-26 14:39   ` Conor Dooley
2024-06-27 21:20     ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-07-01  7:15       ` Clément Léger
2024-07-01 13:58         ` Conor Dooley [this message]
2024-07-01 14:20           ` Clément Léger
2024-07-02 22:22             ` Charlie Jenkins
2024-07-03  7:13               ` Clément Léger
2024-07-03 21:47                 ` Jesse Taube
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 5/8] RISC-V: Replace RISCV_MISALIGNED with RISCV_SCALAR_MISALIGNED Jesse Taube
2024-06-26 14:39   ` Conor Dooley
2024-06-25  0:49 ` [PATCH v3 6/8] RISC-V: Detect unaligned vector accesses supported Jesse Taube
2024-07-01 15:13   ` Samuel Holland
2024-06-25  0:50 ` [PATCH v3 7/8] RISC-V: Report vector unaligned access speed hwprobe Jesse Taube
2024-07-01 22:51   ` Evan Green
2024-07-11 20:35     ` Jesse Taube
2024-06-25  0:50 ` [PATCH v3 8/8] RISC-V: hwprobe: Document unaligned vector perf key Jesse Taube
2024-06-26 14:37   ` Conor Dooley
2024-07-01 22:55   ` Evan Green

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