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From: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>
To: Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>
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	"Paul Kocialkowski" <paul.kocialkowski@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 14/26] drm/bridge: add support for refcounted DRM bridges
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 19:16:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250210-spirited-premium-rabbit-34e1cc@houat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250210181203.36798a31@booty>

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On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 06:12:03PM +0100, Luca Ceresoli wrote:
> Hello Maxime, Dmitry,
> 
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 16:23:44 +0200
> Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 14:31, Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 09:54:06PM +0200, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:  
> > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 12:47:51PM +0100, Maxime Ripard wrote:  
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 07:14:29PM +0100, Luca Ceresoli wrote:  
> > > > > > DRM bridges are currently considered as a fixed element of a
> > > > > > DRM card, and thus their lifetime is assumed to extend for as
> > > > > > long as the card exists. New use cases, such as hot-pluggable
> > > > > > hardware with video bridges, require DRM bridges to be added
> > > > > > and removed to a DRM card without tearing the card down. This
> > > > > > is possible for connectors already (used by DP MST), so add
> > > > > > this possibility to DRM bridges as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Implementation is based on drm_connector_init() as far as it
> > > > > > makes sense, and differs when it doesn't. A difference is
> > > > > > that bridges are not exposed to userspace, hence struct
> > > > > > drm_bridge does not embed a struct drm_mode_object which
> > > > > > would provide the refcount. Instead we add to struct
> > > > > > drm_bridge a refcount field (we don't need other struct
> > > > > > drm_mode_object fields here) and instead of using the
> > > > > > drm_mode_object_*() functions we reimplement from those
> > > > > > functions the few lines that drm_bridge needs for refcounting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also add a new devm_drm_bridge_alloc() macro to allocate a
> > > > > > new refcounted bridge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>  
> > > > >
> > > > > So, a couple of general comments:
> > > > >
> > > > > - I've said it a couple of times already, but I really think
> > > > > you're making it harder than necessary for you here. This (and
> > > > > only this!) should be the very first series you should be
> > > > > pushing. The rest can only ever work if that work goes through,
> > > > > and it's already hard enough as it is. So, split that patch
> > > > > into a series of its own, get that merged, and then we will be
> > > > > able to deal with panels conversion and whatever. That's even
> > > > > more true with panels since there's ongoing work that will make
> > > > > it easier for you too. So the best thing here is probably to
> > > > > wait.  
> 
> The idea you proposed was to handle the issues current panel bridge
> code adds to the hotplug work by adding a .destroy callback and some
> more devm magic. I explored the idea but even after some clarifications
> from you it still didn't appear clearly doable and correct to me. And
> even in the case it were perfectly correct and doable, it is based on
> adding more complexity and "magic" on top of a topic that is already
> hard to understand: panel_bridge lifetime.

Not really, no. I told you several time that you shouldn't deal with
panels yet.

> So I opted for the other way: rework panel_bridge code so its lifetime
> is clear and as one would expect (panel_bridge lifetime == panel
> lifetime).
> 
> Possibly more work for me, but now it's done and it's in these patches
> so why waiting?

No, it's not done. You have the same issue with panels than you are
trying to fix with bridges: it's allocated through devm so they'll get
destroyed too soon. The panel_bridge might work fine now, but the panel
won't.

So it's more work, more scope-creep, and more discussions. For example,
I'm really not convinced on moving the drm_panel code under bridge.

Splitting it up will allow you to at least merge the parts that are
somewhat agreed upon. But do however you want :)

Maxime

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-10 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-06 18:14 [PATCH v6 00/26] Add support for hot-pluggable DRM bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 01/26] drm/debugfs: fix printk format for bridge index Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:06   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 02/26] drm: of: drm_of_find_panel_or_bridge: move misplaced comment Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:20   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 03/26] drm/bridge: panel: use drm_bridge_is_panel() instead of open code Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:21   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 04/26] drm/bridge: panel: drm_panel_bridge_remove: warn when called on non-panel bridge Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:22   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:59     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  7:25   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 05/26] drm/debugfs: add top-level 'bridges' file showing all added bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:41   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 06/26] drm/panel: move all code into bridge/panel.c Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 07/26] drm/bridge: panel: forbid initializing a panel with unknown connector type Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:44   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 08/26] drm/bridge: panel: add a panel_bridge to every panel Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:49   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07 19:43       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-10 17:11         ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-10 18:34   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-18  9:43     ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2025-02-18 10:17       ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 09/26] drm/bridge: move devm_drm_of_get_bridge and drmm_of_get_bridge to drm_bridge.c Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:52   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07 19:47       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 10/26] drm/bridge: add devm_drm_of_get_bridge_by_node() Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:53   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-10 18:22   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 11/26] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: use devm_drm_of_get_bridge[_by_node] to find the out_bridge Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  2:55   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:54     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-10 18:23   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 12/26] drm/bridge: allow bridges to be informed about added and removed bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  3:01   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 13/26] drm/encoder: add drm_encoder_cleanup_from() Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  3:03   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07  8:53     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 14/26] drm/bridge: add support for refcounted DRM bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07 11:47   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-07 19:54     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-10 12:31       ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-10 14:23         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-10 17:12           ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-10 18:16             ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2025-02-10 18:17           ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-10 17:12       ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-10 23:14         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-11  8:48           ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-12  0:55             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-12 10:08               ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-10 17:12     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-11 13:10       ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-26 14:28         ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-27  9:32           ` Maxime Ripard
2025-02-27 11:31             ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-27 14:39               ` Maxime Ripard
2025-03-13 11:56     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-03-13 18:07       ` Maxime Ripard
2025-03-14  8:11         ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 15/26] drm/bridge: devm_drm_of_get_bridge and drmm_of_get_bridge: automatically put the bridge Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  3:17   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-07 10:44     ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07 19:57       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-02-10 18:00         ` Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 16/26] drm/bridge: increment refcount in of_drm_find_bridge() Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 17/26] drm/bridge: add devm_drm_put_bridge() and devm_drm_put_and_clear_bridge() Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 18/26] drm/bridge: add documentation of refcounted bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 19/26] drm/tests: bridge: add KUnit tests for DRM bridges (init and destroy) Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 20/26] drm/debugfs: bridges_show: show refcount Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 21/26] drm/bridge: add list of removed refcounted bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 22/26] drm/debugfs: show removed bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 23/26] drm/bridge: samsung-dsim: use refcounting for the out_bridge Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 24/26] drm/bridge: panel: use dynamic lifetime management Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 25/26] drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi83: " Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-06 18:14 ` [PATCH v6 26/26] drm/bridge: hotplug-bridge: add driver to support hot-pluggable DSI bridges Luca Ceresoli
2025-02-07  9:01 ` [PATCH v6 00/26] Add support for hot-pluggable DRM bridges Luca Ceresoli

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