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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [TECH TOPIC] Kernel documentation - update and future directions
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 19:19:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250902191929.504977bf@foz.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ecsox4uy.fsf@trenco.lwn.net>

Em Tue, 02 Sep 2025 09:15:49 -0600
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> escreveu:

> Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > To sum-up those discussions, I can propose a patchset for the next
> > merge window that would:
> >
> > 1. change kernel-doc exec to re-run using the latest available python
> >    version if version < 3.11, on a similar same way to what
> >    scripts-pre-install and scripts-build-wrapper does(*);  
> 
> I have to confess that I still feel some discomfort with this sort of
> "pick a better version" magic.  Should we really be overriding the
> search path that the user has set up?

The idea is not to override the search path: instead, to use it to
check if the user installed other /usr/bin/python3.* files (or on
some other part of PATH). Most distributions nowadays come with 
multiple python versions. I can't see a downside (*) of not using 
a newer version that the user had installed on his system and
has it on PATH.

For make htmldocs, if version is < 3.7 (or maybe 3.6), this is
mandatory: creating docs without that will fail. So, this is
actually a fallback measure in an attempt to save the day.
This is specially important for OpenSuse Leap, were we recommend
python311-sphinx package, which obviously require python 3.11
to run. The same applies for RHEL8-based distros and likely
old RHEL9 ones.

Now, for kernel-doc command line, checking against 3.11 is arguable,
as it runs slow, but works just fine with 3.7 to 3.10. 

Yet, trying to re-run costs about nothing, and make kernel-doc to
run 55% to 60% faster. IMO, it is worth. We can first check for
a PYTHON env to see if are there any overrides.

(*) The only possible issue is if the user installed python 3.11, but
    forgot to install python3.11-libs package, but it sounds easy enough
    to check if this is the case via a try/except logic.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-02 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <87wm6l0w2y.fsf@trenco.lwn.net>
2025-08-30 16:00     ` [TECH TOPIC] Kernel documentation - update and future directions Vegard Nossum
2025-08-30 22:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-30 23:08         ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-31 14:03           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-31 20:16             ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01  6:17               ` Randy Dunlap
2025-09-01 19:27                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 10:09             ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-01 16:51               ` Randy Dunlap
2025-09-01 17:52                 ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 18:15                   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-09-01 18:20                     ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 18:25                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 18:40                     ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 19:51                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 22:52                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:46                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:52                     ` Mark Brown
2025-09-01 22:56                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 11:15                         ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 11:59                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 12:14                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 13:00                               ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 14:42                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 15:15                                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-02 17:19                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2025-09-02 18:52                                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-03  7:47                                         ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-03 10:04                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 10:25                                             ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 18:58                                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-02 22:35                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03  6:29                                         ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 10:42                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 10:45                                             ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 10:54                                               ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 14:57                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 15:07                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-03 15:17                                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-09-03 15:22                                                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-03 15:11                                                   ` Johannes Berg
2025-09-03 15:25                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 15:37                                                       ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-03 15:52                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 13:39                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-03 13:51                                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-01 19:53                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-01 23:15                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:37                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 19:05                   ` Andrew Lunn
2025-09-01 19:17                     ` Mark Brown
2025-09-02 10:42                 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 11:55                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 12:07                     ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 15:07                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-01 18:26               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-09-02 10:55                 ` Jani Nikula
2025-09-02 12:04                   ` Andrew Lunn

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