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From: Jonathan Perry <yonch@yonch.com>
To: tony.luck@intel.com
Cc: yonch@yonch.com, corbet@lwn.net, james.morse@arm.com,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, reinette.chatre@intel.com,
	romeusmeister@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [PATCH 0/8] resctrl: Add perf PMU for resctrl monitoring
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 13:17:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251017181700.62980-1-yonch@yonch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ1PR11MB60837F4BB475207D990C8293FCE9A@SJ1PR11MB6083.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

> > > Motivation: perf support enables measuring cache occupancy and memory
> > > bandwidth metrics on hrtimer (high resolution timer) interrupts via eBPF.
> > > Compared with polling from userspace, hrtimer-based reads remove
> > > scheduling jitter and context switch overhead. Further, PMU reads can be
> > > parallel, since the PMU read path need not lock resctrl's rdtgroup_mutex.
> > > Parallelization and reduced jitter enable more accurate snapshots of
> > > cache occupancy and memory bandwidth. [1] has more details on the
> > > motivation and design.
> >
> > This parallel read without rdtgroup_mutex looks worrying.
> >
> > The h/w counters have limited width (24-bits on older Intel CPUs,
> > 32-bits on AMD and Intel >= Icelake). So resctrl takes the raw
> > value and in get_corrected_val() figures the increment since the
> > previous read of the MSR to figure out how much to add to the
> > running per-RMID count of "chunks".
> >
> > That's all inherently full of races. If perf does this at the
> > same time that resctrl does, then things will be corrupted
> > sooner or later.
> >
> > You might fix it with a per-RMID spinlock in "struct arch_mbm_state"?
> 
> That might be too fine a locking granularity. You'd probably be fine
> with little contention with a lock in "struct rdt_mon_domain".

Good catch. Thank you Tony!

We might be able to solve the issue similarly to what adding a per-RMID 
spinlock in "struct arch_mbm_state" would do, but with only a memory 
barrier (no spinlock). I'll look further into it.

-Jonathan

      reply	other threads:[~2025-10-17 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-16 14:46 [PATCH 0/8] resctrl: Add perf PMU for resctrl monitoring Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 1/8] resctrl: Pin rdtgroup for mon_data file lifetime Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 2/8] resctrl/mon: Split RMID read init from execution Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 3/8] resctrl/mon: Select cpumask before invoking mon_event_read() Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 4/8] resctrl/mon: Create mon_event_setup_read() helper Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 5/8] resctrl: Propagate CPU mask validation error via rr->err Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 6/8] resctrl/pmu: Introduce skeleton PMU and selftests Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 7/8] resctrl/pmu: Use mon_event_setup_read() and validate CPU Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 14:46 ` [PATCH 8/8] resctrl/pmu: Implement .read via direct RMID read; add LLC selftest Jonathan Perry
2025-10-16 21:25 ` [PATCH 0/8] resctrl: Add perf PMU for resctrl monitoring Luck, Tony
2025-10-16 21:51   ` Luck, Tony
2025-10-17 18:17     ` Jonathan Perry [this message]

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