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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 05/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Document DMABUF model
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2025 22:45:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251119204541.GN18335@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251119194506.GS17968@ziepe.ca>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 03:45:06PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 03:06:18PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
> > On 11/19/25 14:35, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 10:18:08AM +0100, Christian König wrote:
> > >>> +As this is not well-defined or well-supported in real HW the kernel defaults to
> > >>> +blocking such routing. There is an allow list to allow detecting known-good HW,
> > >>> +in which case P2P between any two PCIe devices will be permitted.

<...>

> > The documentation makes it sound like DMA-buf is limited to not
> > using struct pages and direct I/O, but that is not true.
> 
> Okay, I see what you mean, the intention was to be very strong and say
> if you are not using struct pages then you must using DMABUF or
> something like it to control lifetime. Not to say that was the only
> way how DMABUF can be used.
> 
> Leon let's try to clarify that a bit more

diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/pci/p2pdma.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/pci/p2pdma.rst
index 32e9b691508b..280673b50350 100644
--- a/Documentation/driver-api/pci/p2pdma.rst
+++ b/Documentation/driver-api/pci/p2pdma.rst
@@ -156,7 +156,8 @@ Usage With DMABUF
 =================
 
 DMABUF provides an alternative to the above struct page-based
-client/provider/orchestrator system. In this mode the exporting driver will wrap
+client/provider/orchestrator system and should be used when struct page
+doesn't exist. In this mode the exporting driver will wrap
 some of its MMIO in a DMABUF and give the DMABUF FD to userspace.
 
 Userspace can then pass the FD to an importing driver which will ask the


> 
> Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-19 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-11  9:57 [PATCH v8 00/11] vfio/pci: Allow MMIO regions to be exported through dma-buf Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Separate the mmap() support from the core logic Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Simplify bus address mapping API Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Refactor to separate core P2P functionality from memory allocation Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Provide an access to pci_p2pdma_map_type() function Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Document DMABUF model Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19  9:18   ` Christian König
2025-11-19 13:13     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 14:06       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 19:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:45           ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] dma-buf: provide phys_vec to scatter-gather mapping routine Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18 23:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19  0:06   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-19 13:32     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19  5:54   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 13:30     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:37       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:45         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:16   ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2025-11-19 13:25     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:42       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 13:48         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 19:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:54           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:08           ` Christian König
2025-11-20  7:41             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:54               ` Christian König
2025-11-20  8:06                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  8:32                   ` Christian König
2025-11-20  8:42                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20 13:20             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:42     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 14:11       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 14:50         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 14:53           ` Christian König
2025-11-19 15:41             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 16:33             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:03               ` Christian König
2025-11-20  7:38                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 19:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] vfio: Export vfio device get and put registration helpers Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] vfio/pci: Share the core device pointer while invoking feature functions Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:11   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] vfio/pci: Enable peer-to-peer DMA transactions by default Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:18   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 20:10     ` Alex Williamson
2025-11-19  0:01       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 20:18     ` Keith Busch
2025-11-19  0:02       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 13:54         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] vfio/pci: Add dma-buf export support for MMIO regions Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:33   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 14:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 23:56       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 19:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:50           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] vfio/nvgrace: Support get_dmabuf_phys Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:34   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18  7:59   ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-11-18 14:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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