From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@kernel.org>
Cc: Benson Leung <bleung@chromium.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
chrome-platform@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>,
Simona Vetter <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/2] platform/chrome: cros_ec_chardev: Consume cros_ec_device via revocable
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2025 11:33:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251126153320.GI520526@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aSZ_HXjTVbf1HKWr@google.com>
On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 04:16:29AM +0000, Tzung-Bi Shih wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 11:59:51AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 11:26:02PM +0800, Tzung-Bi Shih wrote:
> > > @@ -166,7 +181,12 @@ static int cros_ec_chardev_open(struct inode *inode, struct file *filp)
> > > if (!priv)
> > > return -ENOMEM;
> > >
> > > - priv->ec_dev = ec_dev;
> > > + priv->ec_dev_rev = revocable_alloc(ec_dev->revocable_provider);
> > > + if (!priv->ec_dev_rev) {
> > > + ret = -ENOMEM;
> > > + goto free_priv;
> > > + }
> >
> > The lifecyle of ec_dev->ec_dev->revocable_provider memory is
> > controlled by dev:
> >
> > + ec_dev->revocable_provider = devm_revocable_provider_alloc(dev, ec_dev);
> >
> > Under the lifecycle of some other driver.
> >
> > The above only works because misc calls open under the misc_mtx so it
> > open has "sync" behavior during misc_unregister, and other rules
>
> My understanding is that the file is available to be opened if and only if
> the miscdevice is registered.
Yes, through misc_mtx.
> > ensure that ec_dev is valid during the full lifecycle of this driver.
>
> To clarify, ec_dev is only required to be valid during the .open() call
> itself, not for the entire lifecycle of the driver. Since ec_dev can
> become invalid at any other time, the driver uses ec_dev_rev to ensure
> safe access.
open can be called during the entire lifecycle of the driver,
misc_deregister() is called during remove. So this is a meaningless
distinction.
ec_dev cannot become invalid while the driver is bound.
> > So, I think this cross-driver design an abusive use of the revocable
> > idea.
> >
> > It should not be allocated by the parent driver, it should be fully
> > contained to this driver alone and used only to synchronize the
> > fops. This would make it clear that the ec_dev pointer must be valid
> ^^^^
> ec_dev_rev serves this purpose, not revocable_provider.
How does this detail matter? It is still created by the wrong driver.
> > What you have here by putting the providing in another driver is too
> > magic and obfuscates what the actual lifetime rules are while
> > providing a giant foot gun for someone to think that just because it
> > is marked revocable it is fully safe to touch revocable_provider at
> > any time.
> >
> > Broadly I think embedding a revocable in the memory that it is trying
> > to protect is probably an anti-pattern as you must somehow already
> > have a valid pointer to thing to get the revocable in the first place.
> > This severely muddies the whole notion of when it can actually be
> > revoked nor not.
>
> ec_dev->revocable_provider should only be accessed directly within the
> .open(), as ec_dev is guaranteed to be valid there. For all other cases,
> it uses ec_dev_rev and checks the validity with revocable_try_access()
> to determine if ec_dev has been revoked.
I understand what this does and why it works, I am saying it is an
anti-pattern bad design to cross a revocable between two drivers like
this.
You want the driver creating the fops to revoke a pointer from its own
fops - not span across multiple drivers to achieve the same thing. It
significantly confuses what the actual lifecycle rules are.
Jason
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-26 15:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-06 15:26 [PATCH v6 0/2] platform/chrome: Fix an UAF via revocable primitive APIs Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-11-06 15:26 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] platform/chrome: Protect cros_ec_device lifecycle with revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-11-07 7:07 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-07 7:39 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-06 15:26 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] platform/chrome: cros_ec_chardev: Consume cros_ec_device via revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-11-06 15:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-26 4:16 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-11-26 15:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
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