From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E405C30B515; Thu, 4 Dec 2025 18:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1764874660; cv=none; b=Bsy/FPMdrvgEQt/DdCYF/bKz8fe/jQLYYc2jv+9zXHr42qpO8TeEQnuKw8Gvjh6B4cqNMrpFe8Okmr/uDJ5b8kT69lP9i8S9t4+YHNHi+8m+XQyiu3snkXYbTpfSx4KgdmNyKNU6w4teDMfeS75MdNQLN7RBgtJ6SPRTAgOzoE0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1764874660; c=relaxed/simple; bh=9Zq1ES5P5+XVpaBu1aYtF4Iei5gaOpjPUkiNGe726QE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s1KWqtmkNY5mI3o4oR9cM7c9GkkR24r6LoWwtBAC9n6LEtu2WNnQQl8lBhGG9jbSwQBK5y3jeNn9M4PyKws2R2rrf1eP/rMXZia+RSlpqderoywtl1irqh8jRSbDrXQp74SnAgp8Oh9VZkNg76FVOnzVzEkLayp1etwOVR4Rvwo= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=JAByHYys; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="JAByHYys" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C84EC4CEFB; Thu, 4 Dec 2025 18:57:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1764874659; bh=9Zq1ES5P5+XVpaBu1aYtF4Iei5gaOpjPUkiNGe726QE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=JAByHYysumQIT2lLJhP2nDT8Z5GRTiTBJevp7KII5nkDuPaCs4TsaRkWV75R7j3zN 8+Cz/ihgjDjYoNdjFXAbDnrPNXGfZyevNytNtNZGYFB18iB+a1fm5c6+H4ANlj8T1t TbjHgbV305y9tPtlriIyxeHBAhIq6bTHghtKyaDX4z6dREKlDSl6/ZPYwT12ksDNh1 3tVR2Zi1v/T6uCsnaaf1RKZLUOkWKtLL4wfhqkZKehE4aNNDSYo0tcQj86qVWipQTM lO9SjS1zgh7ges2zciQw5Mb1j/PAVhWoAW03ysfJLu73vUxhs1ZJJx2v5HlZQT4jM0 +kBeWL/c2XuAg== Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2025 10:57:37 -0800 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Jiri Pirko Cc: Tariq Toukan , Eric Dumazet , Paolo Abeni , Andrew Lunn , "David S. Miller" , Donald Hunter , Jonathan Corbet , Saeed Mahameed , Leon Romanovsky , Mark Bloch , netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, Gal Pressman , Moshe Shemesh , Carolina Jubran , Cosmin Ratiu , Jiri Pirko , Randy Dunlap Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next V4 02/14] documentation: networking: add shared devlink documentation Message-ID: <20251204105737.551d1cc1@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: References: <1764101173-1312171-1-git-send-email-tariqt@nvidia.com> <1764101173-1312171-3-git-send-email-tariqt@nvidia.com> <20251127201645.3d7a10f6@kernel.org> <20251128191924.7c54c926@kernel.org> <20251201134954.6b8a8d48@kernel.org> <2lnqrb3fu7dukdkgfculj53q2vwb36nrz5copjfg3khlqnbmix@jbfmhnks7svq> <20251202101444.7f6d14a8@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 11:36:13 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote: > >To be clear -- I understand how you're laying things out. My point is > >not about that. My question is how can user make intuitive sense of this > >mess of random object floating around. Every SW engineering problem can > >be solved by another layer of abstraction, that's not the challenge. > >The challenge is to design those layers so that they make intuitive > >sense (to people who don't spend their life programming against mlx FW > >interfaces). > > Well, this really has no relation to mlx FW interfaces. It is a generic > issue of having multiple PFs backed by 1 physical device sharing > resources. How to make things more intuitive, I don't know :/ Any > suggestion? We're talking in circles. Having a single devlink instance for the "1 physical device" is far more intuitive than stringing together ports from two devlink instances by using a third instance.