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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>
To: Ahmed Tiba <ahmed.tiba@arm.com>
Cc: linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	tony.luck@intel.com, bp@alien8.de, robh@kernel.org,
	krzk+dt@kernel.org, conor+dt@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	will@kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	rafael@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Dmitry.Lamerov@arm.com, Michael.Zhao2@arm.com,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/12] ras: add estatus vendor handling and processing
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 09:13:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251222091334.5cb8465f@foz.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251219181226.2859763-1-ahmed.tiba@arm.com>

Em Fri, 19 Dec 2025 18:11:54 +0000
Ahmed Tiba <ahmed.tiba@arm.com> escreveu:

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 04:30:40PM +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> >On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 02:49:02PM +0000, Ahmed Tiba wrote:  
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2025 at 05:04:53PM +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> >>  
> >> >> Teach the estatus core how to walk CPER records and expose the vendor
> >> >> record notification path. This adds the section iteration helpers,
> >> >> the logging helpers that mirror the GHES behaviour, and the deferred
> >> >> work used to hand vendor GUIDs to interested drivers. No users switch
> >> >> over yet; this simply moves the common logic out of GHES so the next
> >> >> patches can wire it up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Signed-off-by: Ahmed Tiba <ahmed.tiba@arm.com>  
> >> >
> >> >...
> >> >  
> >> >> +static bool estatus_handle_arm_hw_error(estatus_generic_data *gdata, int sev, bool sync)  
> >> >
> >> > Huh?
> >> >
> >> > This is a CPER record from GHES. Why are you moving CPER code out
> >> > of ghes.c, placing in a file named estatus.c? Doesn't make much
> >> > sense on my eyes...
> >> >
> >> > Same applies to to other GHES CPER record types.  
> >>
> >> GHES still fills in the CPER record, but the parsing and logging logic is
> >> shared with the new DeviceTree provider so I pulled those helpers into the
> >> estatus core.  
> >
> > I see, but this is not really estatus core. Instead, it is part of GHES CPER
> > handling logic, which is defined at ACPI and UEFI specs. moving it to estatus
> > sounds odd, at least on my eyes.
> > 
> > Perhaps I'm failing to see where at ACPI/UEFI specs how CPER would be
> > integrated with an OpenFirmware approach to handle CPER without GHES.
> > Care to point to the relevant specs, if any?  
> 
> ACPI/APEI (via GHES) defines how CPER records are discovered and notified on ACPI systems,
> but there is no ACPI or UEFI-defined equivalent for OpenFirmware/DeviceTree platforms.
> UEFI standardises the CPER record format itself, not the transport or discovery mechanism.
> 
> On non-ACPI systems we still receive the same UEFI-defined CPER payload
> from firmware, but Linux needs a different, platform-specific contract
> to locate and acknowledge it. The DT binding is a Linux-side description
> of that contract rather than something defined by ACPI/UEFI.

That's where I'm failing to understand: CPER is part of UEFI spec, and
the only deliverable mechanism I'm aware of for CPER is via GHES or
GHESv2 - e.g. via ACPI.

Within the scope of https://uefi.org/specifications, I'm failing
to see any other deliverable mechanism.
 
> >> Both providers already call into the same notifier chain and
> >> memory-pool helpers; this patch just moves the generic CPER walking routines
> >> next to the rest of the common code so the DT path doesn’t have to grow its
> >> own copy. If you’d prefer a different file layout or naming to make that
> >> intent clearer, I’m happy to adjust.  
> 
> > Moving the code from ghes.c to estatus.c or to elsewhere shouldn't make any
> > difference, as the DT handling logic could simply be calling the functions
> > from ghes.c (or estatus.c). I fail to see why they need to be moved.  
> 
> The motivation is to provide a shared implementation for non-ACPI providers,
> so that the DT path does not depend on ACPI/APEI.
> 
> While the helpers currently live in ghes.c, they are CPER-specific and do not rely on ACPI tables,
> APEI infrastructure, or GHES notification semantics. Keeping them there effectively makes GHES
> the only place those helpers can live, even though the logic itself is provider-agnostic.

The logic is related to GHES, as this seems to be the only standardized
mechanism to report CPER records. As it is part of APEI, get_maintainers
points to the people that have been maintaining it as:

	$ ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl -f ./drivers/acpi/apei/ghes.c
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> (maintainer:ACPI APEI,commit_signer:6/13=46%)
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com> (reviewer:ACPI APEI,commit_signer:3/13=23%)
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de> (reviewer:ACPI APEI,removed_lines:5/62=8%)
	Hanjun Guo <guohanjun@huawei.com> (reviewer:ACPI APEI,commit_signer:4/13=31%)
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org> (reviewer:ACPI APEI,authored:1/13=8%,removed_lines:6/62=10%)
	Shuai Xue <xueshuai@linux.alibaba.com> (reviewer:ACPI APEI,commit_signer:5/13=38%,authored:2/13=15%,added_lines:56/218=26%,removed_lines:34/62=55%)
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org> (reviewer:ACPI)
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com> (commit_signer:5/13=38%)
	Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org> (authored:2/13=15%,added_lines:38/218=17%)
	Smita Koralahalli <Smita.KoralahalliChannabasappa@amd.com> (authored:2/13=15%,added_lines:103/218=47%)
	Ankit Agrawal <ankita@nvidia.com> (authored:1/13=8%,removed_lines:6/62=10%)
	Jason Tian <jason@os.amperecomputing.com> (removed_lines:7/62=11%)
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org (open list:ACPI APEI)
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (open list)

Moving it elsewhere would make it confusing, as the expected deliverable
mechanism for CPER is via GHES - as this is the only one defined at the
uefi.org specs.

While it might be moved to EFI and placed under cper.c, 
get_maintainers.pl would point to:

	$ ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl -f ./drivers/firmware/efi/cper.c
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org> (maintainer:EXTENSIBLE FIRMWARE INTERFACE (EFI))
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org (open list:EXTENSIBLE FIRMWARE INTERFACE (EFI))
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (open list)

which is not the people that have been maintaining RAS.

Placing it under a "estatus.c" file would make it completely
dissociated with UEFI/ACPI specs, as this name means nothing at
the specs.

Also, adding a new maintainer's entry won't make any sense, as the
people that currently reviews and maintains GHES/CPER records
should be kept.

> By moving the CPER parsing and logging pieces into a common location,
> both GHES and the DT provider can reuse the same implementation,
> while the ACPI-specific discovery and notification code remains under drivers/acpi/apei/.
> This avoids having the DT provider reach into GHES internals or duplicate CPER handling code.

As Boris mentioned on patch 00/12, we need to better understand
the high level scenario, as it is still not clear to me how a
firmware-first notification would happen without ACPI.

> If the current naming or file layout makes that separation unclear, I’m happy to adjust it.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-22  8:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-17 11:28 [PATCH 00/12] ras: share firmware-first estatus handling Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 01/12] ras: add estatus core interfaces Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 02/12] ras: add estatus core implementation Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18 15:42   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-12-19 14:35     ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-21 19:31   ` kernel test robot
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 03/12] ras: add estatus vendor handling and processing Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18 16:04   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-12-19 14:49     ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-19 15:30       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-12-19 18:11         ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-22  8:13           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2025-12-29 15:01             ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-21 23:39   ` kernel test robot
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 04/12] ras: add estatus queuing and IRQ/NMI handling Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 05/12] ras: flesh out estatus processing core Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 06/12] efi/cper: adopt estatus iteration helpers Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 07/12] ghes: prepare estatus hooks for shared handling Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 08/12] ghes: add estatus provider ops Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 09/12] ghes: route error handling through shared estatus core Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 10/12] dt-bindings: ras: document estatus provider Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:41   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-17 17:49     ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18  6:48       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-18 10:22         ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18 10:31         ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-19  9:53           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-19 10:37             ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-19 10:47             ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 11/12] ras: add DeviceTree estatus provider driver Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18 12:13   ` Will Deacon
2025-12-18 13:42     ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-18 15:19       ` Will Deacon
2025-12-19  9:02         ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-19 13:00           ` Will Deacon
2025-12-19 17:21             ` Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-17 11:28 ` [PATCH 12/12] doc: ras: describe firmware-first estatus flow Ahmed Tiba
2025-12-21  1:35 ` [PATCH 00/12] ras: share firmware-first estatus handling Borislav Petkov
2025-12-29 11:54   ` Ahmed Tiba

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