Re: [PATCH 5/5] types: Add standard __ob_trap and __ob_wrap scalar types

[Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 07:47:44PM +0200, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
> In the Rust side, even if those "explicit" types like the
> `wrapping_u32` you suggest exist, we generally use the methods on the
> normal integers instead, e.g.
> 
>     i.wrapping_add(1)
> 
>     micros.saturating_mul(NSEC_PER_USEC)
> 
>     self.index.checked_mul(page::PAGE_SIZE)?
> 
> etc.
> 
> The advantage is precisely that it is more explicit and avoids
> confusing the operators when copy-pasting code and so on.
> 
> So that could perhaps be an option? Kees et al. have been thinking
> about this for a long time as far as I recall.

I went through 7 revisions of creating helpers/accessors[1] (and
function-level annotations) and it ultimately went unused. From memory,
this was specifically from Jakub Kicinski (found breaking up readable
math statements into a series of helpers too bulky), Peter Zijlstra and
Mark Rutland (wanted strictly type-based system)[2].

Link: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/?q=%22overflow%3A+Introduce+wrapping+helpers%22 [1]
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240424191740.3088894-4-keescook@chromium.org/ [2]

I view accessors as a non-starter given the near universal pushback
against them in C.

-- 
Kees Cook