From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] Introduce Per-CPU Work helpers (was QPW)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 15:09:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260520130903.Ebsd4aUa@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260519012754.240804-1-leobras.c@gmail.com>
On 2026-05-18 22:27:46 [-0300], Leonardo Bras wrote:
> The problem:
> Some places in the kernel implement a parallel programming strategy
> consisting on local_locks() for most of the work, and some rare remote
> operations are scheduled on target cpu. This keeps cache bouncing low since
> cacheline tends to be mostly local, and avoids the cost of locks in non-RT
> kernels, even though the very few remote operations will be expensive due
> to scheduling overhead.
>
> On the other hand, for RT workloads this can represent a problem: getting
> an important workload scheduled out to deal with remote requests is
> sure to introduce unexpected deadline misses.
>
> The idea:
> Currently with PREEMPT_RT=y, local_locks() become per-cpu spinlocks.
It does not become a _spin_lock because it does not spin. It sleeps.
> In this case, instead of scheduling work on a remote cpu, it should
> be safe to grab that remote cpu's per-cpu spinlock and run the required
> work locally. That major cost, which is un/locking in every local function,
> already happens in PREEMPT_RT.
We did have this before but only in the RT tree. It was a bit messy from
the naming because it started with local_ but then it was a remote CPU.
The main issue was the different code path which led to a few deadlocks
back then.
By the time local_lock_t went upstream, the cross-CPU locking was
removed. As far as I remember, the cross-CPU user which did schedule
work on a remote CPU and annoyed NOHZ folks were replaced.
> Also, there is no need to worry about extra cache bouncing:
> The cacheline invalidation already happens due to schedule_work_on().
>
> This will avoid schedule_work_on(), and thus avoid scheduling-out an
> RT workload.
>
> Proposed solution:
> A new interface called PerCPU Work (PW), which should replace
> Work Queue in the above mentioned use case.
>
> If CONFIG_PWLOCKS=n this interfaces just wraps the current
> local_locks + WorkQueue behavior, so no expected change in runtime.
>
> If CONFIG_PWLOCKS=y, and kernel boot option pwlocks=1,
> pw_queue_on(cpu,...) will lock that cpu's per-cpu structure
> and perform work on it locally.
>
Sebastian
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-20 13:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-19 1:27 [PATCH v4 0/4] Introduce Per-CPU Work helpers (was QPW) Leonardo Bras
2026-05-19 1:27 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] Introducing pw_lock() and per-cpu queue & flush work Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 10:08 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-05-20 13:48 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-05-20 14:47 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-05-19 1:27 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mm/swap: move bh draining into a separate workqueue Leonardo Bras
2026-05-19 1:27 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] swap: apply new pw_queue_on() interface Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 15:07 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-05-19 1:27 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] slub: " Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 14:53 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-05-19 6:58 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Introduce Per-CPU Work helpers (was QPW) syzbot ci
2026-05-20 13:09 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
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