From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FF3047FB16; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791911820; cv=none; b=hExbyusxHYGIobmwV9hQK3Ou7J4jCsqpW/pl9rZU9u2G2chaMTRIt3Mw/eKY7dKqMvKftLl5UiTm34JE5eIZdeQnEpVPN4s0EXmvnWqRM1Kd/CAPJK9bN+TS1a+kCOzpWMCYsR2Clgngh7V22SNZaiSWpqO2I7GvQJlWcCU6J08= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791911820; c=relaxed/simple; bh=PGCSoeEfv+bM30Yk2IeWEXcrAs8LTLv0uy4qZo6Fbx4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=TwpYaUaOAmBqdOXec0s1ZfCsSitWpbt4gAPAOoFyy7IoVVeZyx2CUBMuGeim0EQ1r+Pbk8xlPO/rpkdbMSOd1rdpDy624A5O7eAmdh76zGT0dHMn1pJHI5CIUWLqSyI0O7hx6XrkClCZaM2VTsNJRK07sZs7KRY0fgufSpgl3qQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=hHl0VPFI; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="hHl0VPFI" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (85-76-151-95-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.151.95]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE8D9C42; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:14:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1791911694; bh=PGCSoeEfv+bM30Yk2IeWEXcrAs8LTLv0uy4qZo6Fbx4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=hHl0VPFICh1FhiwMz1ixUgzX7X2M8W2RLCcpEMioB5IMRjak7+h12uDIf9PNi/3hM hburuJh6c/va1GHUywDk+FJqPjS7InOHzYqBohoWMwrgx7k1RTM0ivrcqXxTKguJbb SDjxSjt8uReCZAcjez41TqgrR9OvHlVEvNxTymuc= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:16:28 +0200 From: Laurent Pinchart To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" Cc: Jori Koolstra , Linus Torvalds , Sasha Levin , Greg Kroah-Hartman , corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Krzysztof Kozlowski , Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Message-ID: <20261013171628.GB178151@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org> <0914a106-bacf-4d95-854a-bfeefbff62a4@kernel.org> <1716819121.765615.1791890380179@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 01:49:36PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 01:19:40PM +0200, Jori Koolstra wrote: > > > The only long-term solution to that is to hit mark read 1,000 times :) > > > > There's a way to nuke drive-by authors and that is to require them to do > > some kind of "proof-of-effort." So you want to contribute to the kernel? > > Good, come to one of the OSS conferences, or LPC, or have some well-known > > maintainer vouch for you, or do the kernel mentorship program. The point > > is not that this cannot be gamed, but that the "gaming" in itself requires > > some kind of investment, like proof-of-work. > > Yeah that is a neat idea :) like universities requiring people to be in > person for exams and shifting grading weight mostly to that. That's a bad analogy. Try telling those university students that will have to travel across the globe to sit that exam, and pay for it from their own pocket. > Let's not encourage people to ask maintainers for backing though! Maybe > leave that bit unsaid. > > > We may miss the savant that for whatever reason cannot show up to a conference, > > but Linux Foundation is already very supportive of funding people. And besides, > > Linus has already made it clear that we can expect of people to be able to grow > > into serious community members (which may include being able to effort time and/or > > money for LLM access.) > > True. I did worry about people from countries/with lack of means where they > might struggle with this requirement, but LF help I guess addresses that. I'm willing to discuss that only based on hard data. > > This would solve most slop immediately, and we will know about LLM found bugs > > anyway from cooperation with Anthropic and just the maintainers using LLMs. > > In mm we're more and more dealing with bug 'fixes' by taking over the > patch, which is its own workload but will figure out how to do TODOs for > that in time. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart