From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; t=1793380119; b=N13BWH1d8QM7qguGT7sjqJSlb2lJV3E7voAJmOLzR+SAPXPkqsEFPScin7R5dq8dhm+B +Sl7ceChxX5S5GmjuGVhePX33Vlf8uM95ucHnjEpZbEGJoHkgmrzRPcEwFzDwMVST2pBX fUF7EopL1udJM+RMvJscYaLLQkpId365rLe7Fg9OoyxDmE7dA/UsxkK197EB0vaCT6kTw sOovhgmslg13LnJCy6m2wgdmAtiCvW9pNzHVI11ocZ2LvU2NaSgXwHe3yF8yMZyNN3Dbq OtEuk5M3QuQF3gUIEfANVWyZmzKLy6rmfuOacu9mzfqoLNUVk2jXCwhWYLF9slpWOhQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1793380119; h=Received:DKIM-Signature:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=5QPxXc2iT5IOfiNRxRgY0SNb9uFL3f4Z0lDxWCP0+kU=; b=4u0ar0vbsqACJj40W1lrpphtF/BIG+zwjZCeyI1G939zw2zEDF81/ekefM/k+g5bhYg2 pxn3Yrxk+x9K0UxuF5Cn9rhCRv5bEU3ZDrYKKAMuIWo3u07vuwoSQgJbccwQ5MLL6YkYK oZt3tz42F4Kn7EimLIDeVWFSOeAbd5rpJWFdFmzOD+QQxrM84tlPlSy8ztKptZR2kdWDv XmZbAbmvineG4wFt+hrTzW6ht2NSfPi9DK81K627a/Zz5Xu984Y4e0ZyEB6wi8K+sxxfK RWokk2jKOW9VUZbKuzk0QyTfGIAnRPOfooKFL2ox8F63XA7kYcD5EiueZ4ZKl50eyfg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=k20260515 header.b=Mgmvo52N; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=100.103.45.18 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (quasi.space.kernel.org [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5984F606A330; Fri, 30 Oct 2026 17:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=k20260515 header.b=Mgmvo52N Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8132D1F00A1A; Fri, 30 Oct 2026 17:08:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1793380118; bh=5QPxXc2iT5IOfiNRxRgY0SNb9uFL3f4Z0lDxWCP0+kU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Mgmvo52NKv45K2oTpEQQ3xKvYbQ/Xnoxa3RMV4qsMIHtWfpBImK4HXg7bidr1jNDt D/kwvH6hfOZZpwd+W4Ec8s6vptHEy5rWnsR9c/DgYYOKo1l0K0zSQ/9VmNkGzMWjh7 9o3CdnqSP6aBZ2qP10ZIJBJIUArfPV69djJugv5em4jWHsiGpA7ul2XmozWYqVXsue C+c6f+4uYRrCTSfYgZ1kg9URkaU3RzEoBwuZq6H28rqRxorW3WgDIANexqLbduxtY/ eX/wEHsh7Cmjn1HOdfZKkqknJkTKcVxYon5giHD9WYAx+CvLVvRj+3WALl/00JsImz nw4QgxOPrZZJQ== Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2026 10:08:37 -0700 From: Jakub Kicinski To: Laurent Pinchart Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Nicolai Buchwitz , netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH net] docs: netdev: try to force agents to disclose info for fixes Message-ID: <20261030100837.0f4e7d3d@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: <20261030164758.GD2673734@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20261029153459.2257998-1-kuba@kernel.org> <9A74CA14-D4C0-4252-A3E7-256F9626B513@tipi-net.de> <20261030093418.2fbf0999@kernel.org> <20261030164758.GD2673734@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 18:47:58 +0200 Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2026 at 09:34:18AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Oct 2026 11:58:17 +0100 Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > That's already in the existing text? > > > > > Which is true for anyone, not limited to bots... > > > > > > Do we really need "different" guidelines for humans and bots? > > > > Looks like at least a half of the commit messages today are > > bot-written. With the existing guidance the bots don't add > > the requested info by default (presumably since they don't > > know the information). If this patch doesn't help we may > > need to add our requirement to coding-agents guide. > > They seem to be reading that one fairly reliably. > > Is there no way this can be tested without being merged upstream ? Of course it was. But I can only "test" something trivial like asking Claude to do X. I can't tell whether the random free-model-using or completely hands off bot will pay attention. > Tweaking documentation in semi-random ways in the hope that some of the > changes will have an impact doesn't seem to be a good process, > especially if it's to work around defect of tools. > > And unless I missed something, I thought there was a general consensus > that documentation should be written in a way that doesn't reference > agents specifically, as the same behaviour is expected for all > submissions regardless of how they're generated. Has that changed ? We're talking about a patch to maintainers-netdev. Let me experiment, please.