From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/17] driver core: Expose device trust authorization through sysfs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2026 10:59:52 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261105145952.GA663069@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54c9476c-9f76-4ea1-a73a-c9937d6b463c@lunn.ch>
On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 03:43:53PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > Yup, and that's true even in the PCI TDISP case - there's a major amount of
> > "communication" and "configuration" involved in that. The principle which
> > should (hopefully) generalise is that a bus/host controller driver can
> > always interrogate its child device to perform whatever attestation and
> > general configuration is appropriate, but we won't hand off any _control_ of
> > that device to a specific device driver (nor enable potentially-impactful
> > bus-level features like DMA, interrupts, etc. if relevant) without the
> > requisite agreement between the bus code and the user.
>
> Maybe it would be good to list subsystems which the bus driver can
> use, and cannot use.
>
> You list interrupts as potentially being dangerous. What about reset
> controllers, GPIOs, regulators? At least in the embedded world, the
> bus driver might need to enable power, set a clock ticking, and take
> the device out of reset via a GPIO, before the device pops into
> existence and will enumerate on the bus.
>
> I don't see why interrupts are dangerous, which makes it hard for me
> to determine if GPIOs and clocks, and regulators are also dangerous?
IMHO we shouldn't try to over think this.
The overall point is to give the userspace a place to inject policy.
Bus drivers should try as hard as they can to contain their child
devices. Like PCIE should activate the iommu, disable ATS. USB should
limit the messages it exchanges, and so on.
When userspace accepts the bus driver it also accepts its containment
capability. So if it accepts one that uses gpio, etc then that's fine.
We are not the point of trying to describe what threat models various
kernel drivers can support. Userspace has to figure that out on their
own.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-05 14:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-05 11:42 [PATCH 00/17] driver core: Authorize device trust before driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 01/17] Input: gameport - attach manual drivers through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 02/17] Input: serio " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:05 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 03/17] net: phy: Attach generic PHY " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 15:33 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 04/17] wifi: mac80211_hwsim: lock device for manual driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 05/17] USB: Lock registered interfaces during " Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 17:24 ` Alan Stern
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 06/17] PNP: Attach card devices through the driver core Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 07/17] cdx: Propagate DMA configuration errors Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 08/17] driver core: Allow userspace to detect EPROBE_DEFER when using sysfs drivers_probe Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 09/17] driver core: Introduce a generic device trust level Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 10/17] driver core: Expose device trust authorization through sysfs Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:10 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:27 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:59 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 14:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:17 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 14:26 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 15:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 14:43 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-11-05 14:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-11-05 15:09 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 13:42 ` Robin Murphy
2026-11-05 17:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 11/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy on the kernel command line Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 12/17] driver core: Accept device trust policy by driver name Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 13/17] driver core: Preserve trust commitment beyond driver binding Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 14/17] driver core: Add a global initial device trust policy Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 15/17] driver core: Cover trust authorization and binding with KUnit Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 16/17] driver core: Document trust admission and initrd authorization Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 11:42 ` [PATCH 17/17] PCI: Replace untrusted state with device trust Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 13:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-11-05 13:26 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 14:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-05 15:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-11-05 16:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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