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From: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, songmuchun@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:00:01 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c9bc121-5d4f-4503-e2bd-b5cec0088352@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <089e710c-fb06-e731-6d50-7858d6b9ecdf@redhat.com>

On 7/19/21 7:28 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 19.07.21 09:34, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 18.07.21 06:30, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This patch series aims to free user PTE page table pages when all PTE 
>>> entries
>>> are empty.
>>>
>>> The beginning of this story is that some malloc libraries(e.g. 
>>> jemalloc or
>>> tcmalloc) usually allocate the amount of VAs by mmap() and do not 
>>> unmap those VAs.
>>> They will use madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) to free physical memory if they 
>>> want.
>>> But the page tables do not be freed by madvise(), so it can produce many
>>> page tables when the process touches an enormous virtual address space.
>>
>> ... did you see that I am actually looking into this?
>>
>> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/bae8b967-c206-819d-774c-f57b94c4b362@redhat.com
>>
>> and have already spent a significant time on it as part of my research,
>> which is *really* unfortunate and makes me quite frustrated at the
>> beginning of the week alreadty ...
>>
>> Ripping out page tables is quite difficult, as we have to stop all page
>> table walkers from touching it, including the fast_gup, rmap and page
>> faults. This usually involves taking the mmap lock in write. My approach
>> does page table reclaim asynchronously from another thread and do not
>> rely on reference counts.
> 
> FWIW, I had a quick peek and I like the simplistic approach using 
> reference counting, although it seems to come with a price. By hooking 
> using pte_alloc_get_map_lock() instead of pte_alloc_map_lock, we can 
> handle quite some cases easily.
> 
> There are cases where we might immediately see a reuse after discarding 
> memory (especially, with virtio-balloon free page reporting), in which 
> case it's suboptimal to immediately discard instead of waiting a bit if 
> there is a reuse. However, the performance impact seems to be 
> comparatively small.

Good point, maybe we can wait a bit in the free_pte_table() in the added
optimiztion patch if the frequency of immediate reuse is high.

> 
> I do wonder if the 1% overhead you're seeing is actually because of 
> allcoating/freeing or because of the reference count handling on some 
> hot paths.
> 
> I'm primarily looking into asynchronous reclaim, because it somewhat 
> makes sense to only reclaim (+ pay a cost) when there is really need to 
> reclaim memory -- similar to our shrinker infrastructure.
> 

      parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-20  4:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-18  4:30 [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: fix the deadlock in finish_fault() Qi Zheng
2021-07-18 21:28   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19  9:53     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-20 23:14       ` Andrew Morton
2021-07-21  2:21         ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] mm: introduce pte_install() helper Qi Zheng
2021-07-18 21:31   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19 10:20     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm: remove redundant smp_wmb() Qi Zheng
2021-07-27 13:39   ` Muchun Song
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 4/7] mm: rework the parameter of lock_page_or_retry() Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 5/7] mm: free user PTE page table pages Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  6:19   ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-19 12:56     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-19 13:55       ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-19 14:12         ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-19 14:17           ` Mika Penttilä
2021-07-18 22:01   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-07-19 13:55     ` Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 6/7] mm: defer freeing PTE page table for a grace period Qi Zheng
2021-07-18  4:30 ` [PATCH 7/7] mm: use mmu_gather to free PTE page table Qi Zheng
2021-07-19  7:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] Free user PTE page table pages David Hildenbrand
2021-07-19 11:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-19 12:42     ` Muchun Song
2021-07-19 13:30       ` Muchun Song
2021-07-20  4:00     ` Qi Zheng [this message]

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