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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
Cc: "Andersen, John" <john.s.andersen@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] KVM: x86: Introduce paravirt feature CR0/CR4 pinning
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:51:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31eb5b00-9e2a-aa10-0f20-4abc3cd35112@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19b97891-bbb0-1061-5971-549a386f7cfb@intel.com>

On 07/07/20 23:48, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 7/7/20 2:12 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>>>> Let's say Intel loses its marbles and adds a CR4 bit that lets userspace
>>>>> write to kernel memory.  Linux won't set it, but an attacker would go
>>>>> after it, first thing.
>> That's an orthogonal to pinning.  KVM never lets the guest set CR4 bits that
>> are unknown to KVM.  Supporting CR4.NO_MARBLES would require an explicit KVM
>> change to allow it to be set by the guest, and would also require a userspace
>> VMM to expose NO_MARBLES to the guest.
>>
>> That being said, this series should supporting pinning as much as possible,
>> i.e. if the bit can be exposed to the guest and doesn't require special
>> handling in KVM, allow it to be pinned.  E.g. TS is a special case because
>> pinning would require additional emulator support and IMO isn't interesting
>> enough to justify the extra complexity.  At a glance, I don't see anything
>> that would prevent pinning FSGSBASE.
> 
> Thanks for filling in the KVM picture.
> 
> If we're supporting as much pinning as possible, can we also add
> something to make it inconvenient for someone to both make a CR4 bit
> known to KVM *and* ignore the pinning aspects?
> 
> We should really make folks think about it.  Something like:
> 
> #define KVM_CR4_KNOWN 0xff
> #define KVM_CR4_PIN_ALLOWED 0xf0
> #define KVM_CR4_PIN_NOT_ALLOWED 0x0f
> 
> BUILD_BUG_ON(KVM_CR4_KNOWN !=
>              (KVM_CR4_PIN_ALLOWED|KVM_CR4_PIN_NOT_ALLOWED));
> 
> So someone *MUST* make an active declaration about new bits being pinned
> or not?

I would just make all unknown bits pinnable (or perhaps all CR4 bits in
general).

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-07 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-17 19:07 [PATCH 0/4] Paravirtualized Control Register pinning John Andersen
2020-06-17 19:07 ` [PATCH 1/4] X86: Update mmu_cr4_features during feature identification John Andersen
2020-06-18 14:09   ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-17 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/4] KVM: x86: Introduce paravirt feature CR0/CR4 pinning John Andersen
2020-06-18 14:18   ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-18 14:43     ` Andersen, John
2020-06-18 14:51       ` Dave Hansen
2020-07-07 21:12         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-07 21:48           ` Dave Hansen
2020-07-07 21:51             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-07-09 15:44               ` Andersen, John
2020-07-09 15:56                 ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrWxt0CHUoonWX1fgbM46ydJPQZhj8Q=G+45EG4wW3wZqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-09 16:22                     ` Dave Hansen
2020-07-09 23:37                       ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrUHcpqjDfAM9SbrZUM7xcS2wkVm=r1Nb1JmxV7A-KAeUQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-14  5:36                         ` Andersen, John, Arvind Sankar
2020-07-14  5:39                         ` Andersen, John
2020-07-15  4:41                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-15 19:58                             ` Andersen, John
2020-06-17 19:07 ` [PATCH 3/4] selftests: kvm: add test for CR pinning with SMM John Andersen
2020-06-17 19:07 ` [PATCH 4/4] X86: Use KVM CR pin MSRs John Andersen
2020-06-18 14:41   ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-18 15:26     ` Andersen, John
2020-06-18 15:38       ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-18 15:49         ` Andersen, John
2020-06-20  5:13   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-23 20:03     ` Andersen, John
2020-07-03 21:48       ` Andersen, John
2020-07-04 15:11         ` Arvind Sankar

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