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Sun, 25 Oct 2026 22:32:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2026 22:32:30 +0100 (CET) From: Jori Koolstra To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" , Laurent Pinchart , Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Sasha Levin , corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Linus Torvalds , Jens Axboe , "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" Message-ID: <345522644.2279143.1792963950889@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org> <0914a106-bacf-4d95-854a-bfeefbff62a4@kernel.org> <20261013123132.GC4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261013131243.GM56180@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261013173240.GK4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261020211532.GD15441@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references X-Mailing-List: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal > Op 23-10-2026 12:44 EDT schreef Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) : >=20 > Again, to me, it's just a scaling issue - nobody can read hundreds or > thousands of mails a day effectively, and maintainers and reviewers are > past capacity even now. >=20 > And agreed, we need talented young people coming up and it kills me that > they might be discouraged both by 'AI will take over so what's the point' > and the hordes of 'competing' people sending slop. >=20 There's a striking parallel with the mathematics community in this regard. They are dealing with a similar problem where the old way used to be you make a name for yourself by proving a hard theorem (Linux equivalent: you make a name for yourself with sweeping patchsets.) That does not really work as well anymore as a signal for competency (at least in maths): "Among the mathematicians I have spoken with, the prevailing sentiment is that this traditional mechanism of recognition has effectively collapsed in a matter of weeks. A strong mathematical result, by itself, can no longer be taken as convincing evidence of a student=E2=80=99s independent mathematical abilities."[1] > Perhaps there are ways and means of getting talented new people involved > via side-channel, though. >=20 > I did the 'eudyptula challenge' many years ago, which was a sort of boot > camp for kernel developers (with a lot of 'are you patient enough' bits := ) >=20 > That can't work in identical form anymore because of AI (sigh), but perha= ps > we can figure out some AI-proof version of this? >=20 Would it be worthwhile to organize some sort of informal discussion on what such channels might be and how they can be organized in an LLM-resistant fashion? It would be interesting and useful to share and collect ideas on how the talent pipeline should take shape in the LLM-era, so that the commu= nity can ensure, also in the future, that talented and motivated people are cont= inued to be brought in and not drowned out by slop or other unwanted hurdles, suc= h as having access to very expensive tooling (a concern that I share with Lauren= t.) You and Ted have views on this; Shuah runs the kernel mentorship program; a= nd I know Greg also helps people get exposed to the kernel through various means. The= n there's GSoC and Outreachy, etc. I guess a lot of these people will be at LSFMMBPF? Best, Jori. [1]: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2026/10/18/will-it-be-a-golden-age-or-a= -dark-age-for-mathematics-and-science/#more-18496