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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 12/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add unified page table entry wrapper enums
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 16:13:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42dd707f-e23a-4725-8b6f-08ca346b0143@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da8d03f8-0294-417b-b684-2c20d577f94a@nvidia.com>

On 4/8/26 9:58 AM, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On 4/8/2026 9:26 AM, Eliot Courtney wrote:
>> On Tue Apr 7, 2026 at 10:59 PM JST, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2026 9:42 AM, Eliot Courtney wrote:
>>>> On Tue Apr 7, 2026 at 6:55 AM JST, Joel Fernandes wrote:
...>> [1]: https://github.com/Edgeworth/linux/commits/review/nova-mm-v10/
> First, thanks for the effort. I looked through this, its pretty much what I
> had before when I used traits. I don't think it is better to be honest. In
> fact your version is worse, it adds many new types and things like the
> following which I did not need before.

Hi Joel and all,

I also looked through Eliot's above attempt carefully, and actually
liked it a lot (sorry! haha):

* It cleans up the code. The initial working version was readable, but
  also had lots of noise on the screen: match statements and pairs of
  v2/v3 statements.

  And interestingly, the mmu_version was, in effect, sporadically
  implementing a Trait-based approach. But because it is custom,
  readers don't benefit as much as they would with Traits, which
  tell you immediately how things are structured.

Joel, I am passionately in agreement with your principles: code must
be readable on the screen.

In this case, though, Traits make considerably more readable,
especially if one makes the very reasonable assumption that readers are
thoroughly accustomed to dealing with Rust traits.

> 
> To put it mildly, the following suggestion should not be anywhere near my code:
> 

lol I understand, believe me. But this is short and not too bad, really.

> /// Type-erased MMU-specific [`Vmm`] implementations.

Type erasure remains a semi-exotic thing, IMHO. As such, another
sentence to elaborate on this would be a nice touch.

> enum VmmInner {
>     /// `Vmm` implementation for MMU v2.
>     V2(VmmImpl<MmuV2>),
>     /// `Vmm` implementation for MMU v3.
>     V3(VmmImpl<MmuV3>),
> }
> 
> /// MMU-specific [`Vmm`] implementation.
> struct VmmImpl<M: Mmu> {
> 
> Seriously, I have to pass on this. :-)
> 
> And, you unfortunately seem to have ignored my point about requiring 4 NEW
> traits (Mmu, PteOps, PdeOps, DualPdeOps etc), which I did not need before.
> So you're making the code much much worse than before actually. We don't
> new traits and types pointlessly.

They are not pointless.

However! What I think would be nice is: do a new v11 with approximately
this approach, and then we can beat it into being as readable as 
possible.
 

thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-08 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11  0:39 [PATCH v9 00/23] gpu: nova-core: Add memory management support Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 01/23] gpu: nova-core: Select GPU_BUDDY for VRAM allocation Joel Fernandes
2026-03-12  6:34   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-16 13:17   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-16 16:28     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 02/23] gpu: nova-core: Kconfig: Sort select statements alphabetically Joel Fernandes
2026-03-12  6:35   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-16 13:17   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-16 16:28     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 03/23] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Return GspStaticInfo from boot() Joel Fernandes
2026-03-12  6:37   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 04/23] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Extract usable FB region from GSP Joel Fernandes
2026-03-13  6:58   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-01 23:23     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-16 13:18   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-16 16:57     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 05/23] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Expose total physical VRAM end from FB region info Joel Fernandes
2026-03-16 13:19   ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-16 17:00     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 06/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add support to use PRAMIN windows to write to VRAM Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 07/23] docs: gpu: nova-core: Document the PRAMIN aperture mechanism Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 08/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add common memory management types Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 09/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add TLB flush support Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 10/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add GpuMm centralized memory manager Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 11/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add common types for all page table formats Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 12/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add MMU v2 page table types Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 13/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add MMU v3 " Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:39 ` [PATCH v9 14/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add unified page table entry wrapper enums Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 15/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add page table walker for MMU v2/v3 Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 16/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add Virtual Memory Manager Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 17/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add virtual address range tracking to VMM Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 18/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add multi-page mapping API " Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 19/23] gpu: nova-core: Add BAR1 aperture type and size constant Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 20/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add BAR1 user interface Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 21/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add BAR1 memory management self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 22/23] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add PRAMIN aperture self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-03-11  0:40 ` [PATCH v9 23/23] gpu: nova-core: Use runtime BAR1 size instead of hardcoded 256MB Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20 ` [PATCH v10 00/21] gpu: nova-core: Add memory management support Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 01/21] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Return GspStaticInfo from boot() Joel Fernandes
2026-04-01  8:25     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-08  7:34     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 02/21] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Extract usable FB region from GSP Joel Fernandes
2026-04-01  8:27     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-01 23:24       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:49         ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-06 18:56           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-08  7:33     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 03/21] gpu: nova-core: gsp: Expose total physical VRAM end from FB region info Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:37     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-06 19:42       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-06 21:08       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 04/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add support to use PRAMIN windows to write to VRAM Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 05/21] docs: gpu: nova-core: Document the PRAMIN aperture mechanism Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 06/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add common memory management types Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 07/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add TLB flush support Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:49     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-06 20:50       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:59     ` Matthew Brost
2026-04-06 21:24       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-06 22:10         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-07  5:14           ` Matthew Brost
2026-04-08  7:40             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 08/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add GpuMm centralized memory manager Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 09/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add common types for all page table formats Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 10/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add MMU v2 page table types Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:41     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-06 21:14       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 11/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add MMU v3 " Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 12/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add unified page table entry wrapper enums Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:40     ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-06 21:55       ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-07 13:42         ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-07 13:59           ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-08  7:03             ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-04-08 20:19               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-08 13:26             ` Eliot Courtney
2026-04-08 16:58               ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-08 18:01                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-04-08 19:04                   ` Joel Fernandes
2026-04-08 23:13                 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 13/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add page table walker for MMU v2/v3 Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 14/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add Virtual Memory Manager Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 15/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add virtual address range tracking to VMM Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 16/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add multi-page mapping API " Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 17/21] gpu: nova-core: Add BAR1 aperture type and size constant Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 18/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add BAR1 user interface Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 19/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add BAR1 memory management self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 20/21] gpu: nova-core: mm: Add PRAMIN aperture self-tests Joel Fernandes
2026-03-31 21:20   ` [PATCH v10 21/21] gpu: nova-core: Use runtime BAR1 size instead of hardcoded 256MB Joel Fernandes
2026-04-02  5:54     ` Eliot Courtney

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