From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:10:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46973236-a53d-4d1c-912c-1e3dc08e4160@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aIpLB5oMc1tSq1SP@gallifrey>
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 04:40:39PM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt (rostedt@goodmis.org) wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:34:28 +0100
> > Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Which looked like someone else (now Cc'd on this thread) took it public,
>
> (I didn't know of the tab discussion)
>
> > > > and I wanted to see where that ended. I didn't want to start another
> > > > discussion when there's already two in progress.
> > >
> > > OK, but having a document like this is not in my view optional - we must
> > > have a clear, stated policy and one which ideally makes plain that it's
> > > opt-in and maintainers may choose not to take these patches.
> >
> > That sounds pretty much exactly as what I was stating in our meeting. That
> > is, it is OK to submit a patch written with AI but you must disclose it. It
> > is also the right of the Maintainer to refuse to take any patch that was
> > written in AI. They may feel that they want someone who fully understands
> > what that patch does, and AI can cloud the knowledge of that patch from the
> > author.
> >
> > I guess a statement in submitting-patches.rst would suffice, or should it
> > be a separate standalone document?
>
> If it's separate I think it needs to have a link from submitting-patches.rst
> to get people to read it.
Absolutely agree.
>
> To summarise some other things that came up between the threads:
> a) I think there should be a standard syntax for stating it is
> AI written; I'd suggested using a new tag, but others were
> arguing on the side of reusing existing tags, which seems OK
> if it is done in a standard way and doesn't confuse existing tools.
Yes.
>
> b) There's a whole spectrum of:
> i) AI wrote the whole patch based on a vague requirement
> ii) AI is in the editor and tab completes stuff
> iii) AI suggests fixes/changes
> which do you care about?
I think any AI involvment that results in _changes to the code_ should
require the tag.
>
> c) But then once you get stuff suggesting fixes/changes people were
> wondering if you should specify other non-AI tools as well.
> That might help reviewers who get bombed by a million patches
> from some conventional tool.
I think this would be useful, yes.
We'd had isues with this before. It'd be good to standardise, ideally.
>
> d) Either way there needs to be emphasis that the 'Signed-off-by'
> is a human declaring it's all legal and checked.
This is also a wise point with which I agree.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-30 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-27 19:57 [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-27 19:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] agents: add unified agent coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:37 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 4:43 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:16 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:39 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 22:06 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-30 23:47 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-01 20:53 ` Rob Herring
2025-08-08 18:07 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:39 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:00 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 6:18 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 12:35 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:35 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:29 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-30 18:41 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 4:24 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 4:52 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:02 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] agents: add coding style documentation and rules Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 6:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 9:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-30 14:48 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-30 15:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] agents: add legal requirements and agent attribution guidelines Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:43 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-05 22:08 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-08-05 23:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 23:33 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-06 14:12 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-06 21:53 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 7:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 10:37 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 9:41 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 13:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 22:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-04 22:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:53 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 23:30 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 23:39 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 11:57 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 8:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:35 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 12:45 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 13:23 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 16:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 16:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:36 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 18:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:34 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04 10:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-07-30 17:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:46 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:59 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 19:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-30 19:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 19:51 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-31 0:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-07-30 17:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-30 16:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 18:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
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