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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 11/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Ensure pages are not in use before conversion
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 19:56:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4c638fc5-5a74-43d0-b5bf-d7ef893cb994@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anpQJvFw9s-XP3pW@google.com>

> helps the reader understand what's being checked without having to look at the
> details, and also helps communicate the ordering dependency without needing a
> comment.
> 
> There are definitely times where the usage of a function bleeds into its name,
> but usually that's because the name and the usage are on and the same.  E.g.
> get_user() describes both the usage and the "what".  And it's easy/possible to
> go too far in the opposite direction, e.g. by giving a play-by-play of what a
> function is doing, but that's why we have bikshedding sessions :-)

Note that the problem I have with kvm_gmem_is_safe_for_conversion() that it is
all about *conversion to private*, not *conversion to shared*. In that sense,
the function name is just confusing.

> 
>> Perhaps a little ahead of its time,
> 
> Ya.
> 
>> but later with restructuring for huge pages, we also need no additional
>> refcounts other than gmem's own so that restructuring is safe, hence this
>> function name was meant to extend there as well.
> 
> Given that I've read that at least five times and still don't understand the
> nuance, I think it's safe (ha!) to say we'll need to revisit and review those
> changes no matter what. :-)
> 
>  
>> In this case "unexpected" (especially since the next patch adds checks
>> for maybe dma pinned and unmapping), begs the question "unexpected in
>> what way"?
> 
> Ya, that's why I like "outstanding", it succinctly captures that one or more
> references have been "loaned" but not yet "repaid".
> 
>>>
>>> I'd rather add a comment than have this filemap_get_folios_refcount.
> 
> +1, the local variable just made me scratch my head.
> 
>>>
>>> /*
>>>  * We expect one reference per folio-page in the pagecache and one
>>>  * reference from filemap_get_folios().
> 
> Nit, please no pronouns in KVM code.

Whatever floats KVM's boat :)

> 
>>>  */
>>> if (folio_ref_count(folio) != folio_nr_pages(folio) + 1)
>>>
>>
>> This comment explains what's "unexpected". I can do this and switch it
>> to kvm_gmem_mem_has_unexpected_refs() unless people have other
>> suggestions.
>>
>> I wish there was a folio_pagecache_refs(folio) that
>> folio_expected_ref_count() can share with this, and also
>> folio_swapcache_refs(), to solidify the definition of refcounts taken by
>> the pagecache.
> 
> ...
> 
>>>
>>> I'd add a comment here for the "why are we unmapping".
>>>
>>
>> Does this sound right:
>>
>> Unmap here to ensure that userspace page tables have no mappings, which
>> also ensures refcounts from those mappings are dropped.
> 
> How about:
> 
> 		/*
> 		 * Forcefully unmap the pages from all userspace page tables,
> 		 * and then verify there are no outstanding references, e.g.
> 		 * acquired via GUP or similar.  Tell userspace to try again if
> 		 * there are oustanding references and hope that whatever has
> 		 * pinned the page will put its reference "soon".
> 		 */
> 		unmap_mapping_pages(mapping, start, nr_pages, false);
> 
>                 if (!kvm_gmem_is_safe_for_conversion(inode, start, nr_pages,
>                                                      err_index)) {
>                         mas_destroy(&mas);
>                         r = -EAGAIN;
>                         goto out;
>                 }


Sounds good besides the function still not being clear about *which* kind of
conversion.


-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-11 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-07 21:52 [PATCH v10 00/41] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 01/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Use kvm_mem_is_private() when populating guest_memfd memory Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-12  3:12   ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 02/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce per-gmem attributes, use to guard user mappings Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10 15:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-12  3:27   ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 03/41] KVM: Rename KVM_GENERIC_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 04/41] KVM: Enumerate support for PRIVATE memory iff kvm_arch_has_private_mem is defined Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 05/41] KVM: Rename memory attribute APIs to prepare for in-place gmem conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-12  5:23   ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 06/41] KVM: Provide generic interface for checking memory private/shared status Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-12  5:33   ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 07/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Stub in ability to enable in-place shared<=>private conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  8:49   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10 15:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 08/41] KVM: Consolidate private memory and guest_memfd ifdeffery in kvm_host.h Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  8:50   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 09/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Filter both shared and private when invalidating Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:06   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10  9:27     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2026-08-10 19:11       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 10/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Add base support for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES2 Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 11/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Ensure pages are not in use before conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-08  0:29   ` Yan Zhao
2026-08-09 21:51     ` Yan Zhao
2026-08-10 21:06       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-11  1:04         ` Yan Zhao
2026-08-11  2:17           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-11  4:50             ` Yan Zhao
2026-08-11 17:35               ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-11 17:47                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-10  9:19   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10 21:41     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-10 22:26       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 17:56         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 12/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Call arch make_shared callback for to-shared conversion Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 13/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Return early if range already has requested attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 14/41] mm/gup: factor out LRU cache draining for folio into lru_cache_drain_for_folio() Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:22   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 15/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Handle lru_add fbatch refcounts during conversion safety check Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:25   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10 21:29     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 16/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Zero page while getting pfn Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10 23:41     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-11  0:18       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-11 17:51         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 17/41] KVM: SEV: Make 'uaddr' parameter optional for KVM_SEV_SNP_LAUNCH_UPDATE Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 18/41] KVM: TDX: Make source page optional for KVM_TDX_INIT_MEM_REGION Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 19/41] KVM: Move KVM_VM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES config definition to x86 Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:32   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-07 21:52 ` [PATCH v10 20/41] KVM: Let userspace disable per-VM mem attributes, enable per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  9:36   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 21/41] KVM: guest_memfd: Enable INIT_SHARED on guest_memfd for x86 Coco VMs Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 22/41] KVM: selftests: Create gmem fd before "regular" fd when adding memslot Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 23/41] KVM: selftests: Rename guest_memfd{,_offset} to gmem_{fd,offset} Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 24/41] KVM: selftests: Add support for mmap() on guest_memfd in core library Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 25/41] KVM: selftests: Add selftests global for guest memory attributes capability Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 26/41] KVM: selftests: Add helpers for calling ioctls on guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 27/41] KVM: selftests: Test basic single-page conversion flow Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 28/41] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flow when INIT_SHARED Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 29/41] KVM: selftests: Test conversion precision in guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 30/41] KVM: selftests: Test conversion before allocation Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 31/41] KVM: selftests: Convert with allocated folios in different layouts Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 32/41] KVM: selftests: Test that truncation does not change shared/private status Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 33/41] KVM: selftests: Test that shared/private status is consistent across processes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 34/41] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to pin pages with CONFIG_GUP_TEST Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 35/41] KVM: selftests: Test conversion with elevated page refcount Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 36/41] KVM: selftests: Reset shared memory after hole-punching Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 37/41] KVM: selftests: Provide function to look up guest_memfd details from gpa Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 38/41] KVM: selftests: Provide common function to set memory attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 39/41] KVM: selftests: Make TEST_EXPECT_SIGBUS thread-safe Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 40/41] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap() guest_memfd Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-07 21:53 ` [PATCH v10 41/41] KVM: selftests: Update private memory exits test to work with per-gmem attributes Ackerley Tng via B4 Relay
2026-08-10  8:43 ` [PATCH v10 00/41] guest_memfd: In-place conversion support David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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