From: "Moger, Babu" <bmoger@amd.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 13/19] x86/resctrl: Add PLZA state tracking and context switch handling
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2026 16:35:40 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53be07ff-75c6-4bd6-a544-e28454b4f6b3@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <37bc4dc5-c908-42cd-83c5-a0476fc9ec82@intel.com>
Hi Reinette,
On 2/23/2026 11:12 AM, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Babu,
>
> On 2/20/26 2:44 PM, Moger, Babu wrote:
>> On 2/19/2026 8:53 PM, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>
>>> Summary of considerations surrounding CLOSID/RMID (PARTID/PMG) assignment for kernel work
>>> =========================================================================================
>>>
>>> - PLZA currently only supports global assignment (only PLZA_EN of
>>> MSR_IA32_PQR_PLZA_ASSOC may differ on logical processors). Even so, current
>>> speculation is that RMID_EN=0 implies that user space RMID is used to monitor
>>> kernel work that could appear to user as "kernel mode" supporting multiple RMIDs.
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/abb049fa-3a3d-4601-9ae3-61eeb7fd8fcf@amd.com/
>>
>> Yes. RMID_EN=0 means dont use separate RMID for plza.
>
> Thank you very much for confirming.
>
> ...
>
>>> How can resctrl support the requirements?
>>> =========================================
>>>
>>> New global resctrl fs files
>>> ===========================
>>> info/kernel_mode (always visible)
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment (visibility and content depends on active setting in info/kernel_mode)
>>
>> Probably good idea to drop "assign" for this work. We already have mbm_assign mode and related work.
>
> hmmm ... I think "assign" is generic enough of a word that
> it cannot be claimed by a single feature.
>
>
>> info/kernel_mode_assoc or info/kernel_mode_association? Or We can wait later to rename appropriately.
>
> yes, naming can be settled later.
Sure.
>
>>
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode
>>> ================
>>> - Displays the currently active as well as possible features available to user
>>> space.
>>> - Single place where user can query "kernel mode" behavior and capabilities of the
>>> system.
>>> - Some possible values:
>>> - inherit_ctrl_and_mon <=== previously named "match_user", just renamed for consistency with other names
>>> When active, kernel and user space use the same CLOSID/RMID. The current status
>>> quo for x86.
>>> - global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon
>>> When active, CLOSID/control group can be assigned for *all* (hence, "global")
>>> kernel work while all kernel work uses same RMID as user space.
>>> Can only be supported on architecture where CLOSID and RMID are independent.
>>> An arch may support this in hardware (RMID_EN=0?) or this can be done by resctrl during
>>> context switch if the RMID is independent and the context switches cost is
>>> considered "reasonable".
>>> This supports use case https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CABPqkBSq=cgn-am4qorA_VN0vsbpbfDePSi7gubicpROB1=djw@mail.gmail.com/
>>> for PLZA.
>>> - global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>> When active the same resource group (CLOSID and RMID) can be assigned to
>>> *all* kernel work. This could be any group, including the default group.
>>> There may not be a use case for this but it could be useful as an intemediate
>>> step of the mode that follow (more later).
>>> - per_group_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>> When active every resource group can be associated with another (or the same)
>>> resource group. This association maps the resource group for user space work
>>> to resource group for kernel work. This is similar to the "kernel_group" idea
>>> presented in:
>>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/aYyxAPdTFejzsE42@e134344.arm.com/
>>> This addresses use case https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CABPqkBSq=cgn-am4qorA_VN0vsbpbfDePSi7gubicpROB1=djw@mail.gmail.com/
>>> for MPAM.
>>
>> All these new names and related information will go in global structure.
>>
>> Something like this..
>>
>> Struct kern_mode {
>> enum assoc_mode;
>> struct rdtgroup *k_rdtgrp;
>> ...
>> };
>>
>> Not sure what other information will be required here. Will know once I stared working on it.
>>
>> This structure will be updated based on user echo's in "kernel_mode" and "kernel_mode_assignment".
>
> This looks to be a good start. I think keeping the rdtgroup association is good since
> it helps to easily display the name to user space while also providing access to the CLOSID
> and RMID that is assigned to the tasks.
> By placing them in their own structure instead of just globals it does make it easier to
> build on when some modes have different requirements wrt rdtgroup management.
I am not clear on this comment. Can you please elaborate little bit?
Thanks
Babu
> You may encounter that certain arrangements work better to support interactions with the
> task structure that are not clear at this time.
>
>
>>
>>
>>> - Additional values can be added as new requirements arise, for example "per_task"
>>> assignment. Connecting visibility of info/kernel_mode_assignment to mode in
>>> info/kernel_mode enables resctrl to later support additional modes that may require
>>> different configuration files, potentially per-resource group like the "tasks_kernel"
>>> (or perhaps rather "kernel_mode_tasks" to have consistent prefix for this feature)
>>> and "cpus_kernel" ("kernel_mode_cpus"?) discussed in these threads.
>>
>> So, per resource group file "kernel_mode_tasks" and "kernel_mode_cpus" are not required right now. Correct?
>
> Correct. The way I see it the baseline implementation to support PLZA should be
> straightforward. We'll probably spend a bit extra time on the supporting documentation
> to pave the way for possible additions.
>
>>> User can view active and supported modes:
>>>
>>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>>> [inherit_ctrl_and_mon]
>>> global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon
>>> global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>>
>>> User can switch modes:
>>> # echo global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon > kernel_mode
>>> # cat kernel_mode
>>> inherit_ctrl_and_mon
>>> [global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon]
>>> global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>>
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment
>>> ===========================
>>> - Visibility depends on active mode in info/kernel_mode.
>>> - Content depends on active mode in info/kernel_mode
>>> - Syntax to identify resource groups can use the syntax created as part of earlier ABMC work
>>> that supports default group https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1737577229.git.babu.moger@amd.com/
>>> - Default CTRL_MON group and if relevant, the default MON group, can be the default
>>> assignment when user just changes the kernel_mode without setting the assignment.
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment when mode is global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> - info/kernel_mode_assignment contains single value that is the name of the control group
>>> used for all kernel work.
>>> - CLOSID/PARTID used for kernel work is determined from the control group assigned
>>> - default value is default CTRL_MON group
>>> - no monitor group assignment, kernel work inherits user space RMID
>>> - syntax is
>>> <CTRL_MON group> with "/" meaning default.
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment when mode is global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> - info/kernel_mode_assignment contains single value that is the name of the resource group
>>> used for all kernel work.
>>> - Combined CLOSID/RMID or combined PARTID/PMG is set globally to be associated with all
>>> kernel work.
>>> - default value is default CTRL_MON group
>>> - syntax is
>>> <CTRL_MON group>/MON group>/ with "//" meaning default control and default monitoring group.
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment when mode is per_group_assign_ctrl_assign_mon
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> - this presents the information proposed in https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/aYyxAPdTFejzsE42@e134344.arm.com/
>>> within a single file for convenience and potential optimization when user space needs to make changes.
>>> Interface proposed in https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/aYyxAPdTFejzsE42@e134344.arm.com/ is also an option
>>> and as an alternative a per-resource group "kernel_group" can be made visible when user space enables
>>> this mode.
>>> - info/kernel_mode_assignment contains a mapping of every resource group to another resource group:
>>> <resource group for user space work>:<resource group for kernel work>
>>> - all resource groups must be present in first field of this file
>>> - Even though this is a "per group" setting expectation is that this will set the
>>> kernel work CLOSID/RMID for every task. This implies that writing to this file would need
>>> to access the tasklist_lock that, when taking for too long, may impact other parts of system.
>>> See https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CALPaoCh0SbG1+VbbgcxjubE7Cc2Pb6QqhG3NH6X=WwsNfqNjtA@mail.gmail.com/
>>
>> This mode is currently not supported in AMD PLZA implementation. But we have to keep the options open for future enhancement for MPAM. I am still learning on MPM requirement.
>>
>>>
>>> Scenarios supported
>>> ===================
>>>
>>> Default
>>> -------
>>> For x86 I understand kernel work and user work to be done with same CLOSID/RMID which
>>> implies that info/kernel_mode can always be visible and at least display:
>>> # cat info/kernel_mode
>>> [inherit_ctrl_and_mon]
>>>
>>> info/kernel_mode_assignment is not visible in this mode.
>>>
>>> I understand MPAM may have different defaults here so would like to understand better.
>>>
>>> Dedicated global allocations for kernel work, monitoring same for user space and kernel (PLZA)
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Possible scenario with PLZA, not MPAM (see later):
>>> 1. Create group(s) to manage allocations associated with user space work
>>> and assign tasks/CPUs to these groups.
>>> 2. Create group to manage allocations associated with all kernel work.
>>> - For example,
>>> # mkdir /sys/fs/resctrl/unthrottled
>>> - No constraints from resctrl fs on interactions with files in this group. From resctrl
>>> fs perspective it is not "dedicated" to kernel work but just another resource group.
>>
>> That is correct. We dont need to handle the group special for kernel_mode while creating the group. However, there will some handling required when kernel_mode group is deleted. We need to move the tasks/cpus back to default group and update the global kernel_mode structure.
>
> Good point, yes.
>
>
> ...
>
>>> Dedicated global allocations for kernel work, monitoring same for user space and kernel (MPAM)
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 1. User space creates resource and monitoring groups for user tasks:
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl <= User space default allocations
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g1 <= User space allocations g1
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g1/mon_groups/g1m1 <= User space monitoring group g1m1
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g1/mon_groups/g1m2 <= User space monitoring group g1m2
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g2 <= User space allocations g2
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g2/mon_groups/g2m1 <= User space monitoring group g2m1
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/g2/mon_groups/g2m2 <= User space monitoring group g2m2
>>>
>>> 2. User space creates resource and monitoring groups for kernel work (system has two PMG):
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/kernel <= Kernel space allocations
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/kernel/mon_data <= Kernel space monitoring for all of default and g1
>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/kernel/mon_groups/kernel_g2 <= Kernel space monitoring for all of g2
>>> 3. Set kernel mode to per_group_assign_ctrl_assign_mon:
>>> # echo per_group_assign_ctrl_assign_mon > info/kernel_mode
>>> - info/kernel_mode_assignment becomes visible and contains
>>> # cat info/kernel_mode_assignment
>>> //://
>>> g1//://
>>> g1/g1m1/://
>>> g1/g1m2/://
>>> g2//://
>>> g2/g2m1/://
>>> g2/g2m2/://
>>> - An optimization here may be to have the change to per_group_assign_ctrl_assign_mon mode be implemented
>>> similar to the change to global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon that initializes a global default. This can
>>> avoid keeping tasklist_lock for a long time to set all tasks' kernel CLOSID/RMID to default just for
>>> user space to likely change it.
>>> 4. Set groups to be used for kernel work:
>>> # echo '//:kernel//\ng1//:kernel//\ng1/g1m1/:kernel//\ng1/g1m2/:kernel//\ng2//:kernel/kernel_g2/\ng2/g2m1/:kernel/kernel_g2/\ng2/g2m2/:kernel/kernel_g2/\n' > info/kernel_mode_assignment
>>>
>>
>> Currently, this is not supported in AMD's PLZA implimentation. But we need to keep this option open for MPAM.
>
> Right. I expect PLZA to at least support "global_assign_ctrl_inherit_mon" mode
> since that is the one we know somebody is waiting for. I am not actually sure about
> "global_assign_ctrl_assign_mon" for PLZA. It is the variant intended to be implemented
> by this RFC submission and does not seem difficult to implement but I have not really heard
> any requests around it. Please do correct me if I missed anything here.
>
>>
>>> The interfaces proposed aim to maintain compatibility with existing user space tools while
>>> adding support for all requirements expressed thus far in an efficient way. For an existing
>>> user space tool there is no change in meaning of any existing file and no existing known
>>> resource group files are made to disappear. There is a global configuration that lets user space
>>> manage allocations without needing to check and configure each control group, even per-resource
>>> group allocations can be managed from user space with a single read/write to support
>>> making changes in most efficient way.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> I will start planning this work. Feel free to add more details.
>> I Will have more questions as I start working on it.
>>
>> I will separate GMBA work from this work.
>>
>> Will send both series separately.
>>
>> Thanks for details and summary.
>>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Reinette
>
>
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2026-01-21 21:12 [RFC PATCH 00/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Support for Global Bandwidth Enforcement and Priviledge Level Zero Association Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Add support for Global Bandwidth Enforcement (GLBE) Babu Moger
2026-02-09 18:44 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-11 1:07 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-11 16:54 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-11 21:18 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-12 3:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-12 19:09 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-13 0:05 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-13 1:51 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-13 16:17 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-13 23:14 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-14 0:01 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-16 16:05 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-20 10:07 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-20 18:39 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-23 9:29 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-21 0:12 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-23 13:21 ` Fenghua Yu
2026-02-23 17:38 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-23 13:21 ` Fenghua Yu
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Add the resource for Global Memory Bandwidth Allocation Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/19] fs/resctrl: Add new interface max_bandwidth Babu Moger
2026-02-06 23:58 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-09 23:52 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/19] fs/resctrl: Add the documentation for Global Memory Bandwidth Allocation Babu Moger
2026-02-03 0:00 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-03 16:38 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-09 16:32 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-10 19:44 ` Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Add support for Global Slow Memory Bandwidth Allocation (GSMBA) Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Add the resource for Global Slow Memory Bandwidth Enforcement(GLSBE) Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/19] fs/resctrl: Add the documentation for Global Slow Memory Bandwidth Allocation Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/19] x86/resctrl: Support Privilege-Level Zero Association (PLZA) Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/19] x86/resctrl: Add plza_capable in rdt_resource data structure Babu Moger
2026-02-11 15:19 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-11 16:54 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-11 17:48 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-13 15:50 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/19] fs/resctrl: Expose plza_capable via control info file Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/19] resctrl: Introduce PLZA static key enable/disable helpers Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/19] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for PLZA configuration Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 13/19] x86/resctrl: Add PLZA state tracking and context switch handling Babu Moger
2026-01-27 22:30 ` Luck, Tony
2026-01-28 16:01 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-28 17:12 ` Luck, Tony
2026-01-28 17:41 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-28 17:44 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-28 19:17 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-10 16:17 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-10 18:04 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-11 16:40 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-11 19:46 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-11 22:22 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-12 13:55 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-12 18:37 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-16 15:18 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-17 18:51 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-17 21:44 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-17 22:37 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-17 22:52 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-17 23:55 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-18 16:44 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-19 17:03 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-19 17:45 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-20 8:21 ` Drew Fustini
2026-02-19 17:33 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-20 2:53 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-20 22:44 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-23 17:12 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-23 22:35 ` Moger, Babu [this message]
2026-02-23 23:13 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-24 19:37 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-23 10:08 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-23 16:38 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-24 9:36 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-24 16:13 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-19 11:06 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-19 18:12 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-19 18:36 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-19 10:21 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-19 18:14 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-23 9:48 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-13 16:37 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-13 17:02 ` Luck, Tony
2026-02-16 19:24 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-14 0:10 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-16 15:41 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-16 22:52 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-17 15:56 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-17 16:38 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-18 9:54 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-18 6:22 ` Stephane Eranian
2026-02-18 9:35 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-19 10:27 ` Ben Horgan
2026-02-16 22:36 ` Moger, Babu
2026-02-12 10:00 ` Ben Horgan
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 14/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Add the functionality to configure PLZA Babu Moger
2026-01-29 19:13 ` Luck, Tony
2026-01-29 19:53 ` Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 15/19] fs/resctrl: Introduce PLZA attribute in rdtgroup interface Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 16/19] fs/resctrl: Implement rdtgroup_plza_write() to configure PLZA in a group Babu Moger
2026-01-28 22:03 ` Luck, Tony
2026-01-29 18:54 ` Luck, Tony
2026-01-29 19:31 ` Babu Moger
2026-01-29 19:42 ` Babu Moger
2026-02-10 0:05 ` Reinette Chatre
2026-02-11 23:10 ` Moger, Babu
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 17/19] fs/resctrl: Update PLZA configuration when cpu_mask changes Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 18/19] x86/resctrl: Refactor show_rdt_tasks() to support PLZA task matching Babu Moger
2026-01-21 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH 19/19] fs/resctrl: Add per-task PLZA enable support via rdtgroup Babu Moger
2026-02-03 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 00/19] x86,fs/resctrl: Support for Global Bandwidth Enforcement and Priviledge Level Zero Association Luck, Tony
2026-02-10 0:27 ` Reinette Chatre
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