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From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Eugen Hristev <eugen.hristev@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/26] Introduce meminspect
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 22:57:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5903a8e1-71c6-4546-ac50-35effa078dda@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bf00eec5-e9fe-41df-b758-7601815b24a0@linaro.org>

Hi,

On 12/12/25 10:48 PM, Eugen Hristev wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/19/25 17:44, Eugen Hristev wrote:
>> meminspect is a mechanism which allows the kernel to mark specific memory
>> areas for memory dumping or specific inspection, statistics, usage.
>> Once regions are marked, meminspect keeps an internal list with the regions
>> in a dedicated table.
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
>> I will present this version at Plumbers conference in Tokyo on December 13th:
>> https://lpc.events/event/19/contributions/2080/
>> I am eager to discuss it there face to face.
> 
> Summary of the discussions at LPC talk on Dec 13th:
> 
> One main idea on the static variables annotation was to do some linker
> magic, to create a list of variables in the tree, that would be parsed
> by some script, the addresses and sizes would be then stored into the
> dedicated section at the script level, without having any C code change.
> Pros: no C code change, Cons: it would be hidden/masked from the code,
> easy to miss out, which might lead to people's variables being annotated
> without them knowing
> 
> Another idea was to have variables directly stored in a dedicated
> section which would be added to the table.
> e.g. static int __attribute(section (...)) nr_irqs;
> Pros: no more meminspect section Cons: have to keep all interesting
> variables in a separate section, which might not be okay for everyone.
> 
> On dynamic memory, the memblock flag marking did not receive any obvious
> NAKs.
> 
> On dynamic memory that is bigger in size than one page, as the table
> entries are registered by virtual address, this would be non-contiguous
> in physical memory. How is this solved?
> -> At the moment it's left for the consumer drivers to handle this
> situation. If the region is a VA and the size > PAGE_SIZE, then the
> driver needs to handle the way it handles it. Maybe the driver that
> parses the entry needs to convert it into multiple contiguous entries,
> or just have virtual address is enough. The inspection table does not
> enforce or limit the entries to contiguous entries only.
> 
> On the traverse/notifier system, the implementation did not receive any
> obvious NAKs
> 
> General comments:
> 
> Trilok Soni from Qualcomm mentioned they will be using this into their
> software deliveries in production.
> 
> Someone suggested to have some mechanism to block specific data from
> being added to the inspection table as being sensitive non-inspectable
> data.
> [Eugen]: Still have to figure out how that could be done. Stuff is not
> being added to the table by default.
> 
> Another comment was about what use case there is in mind, is this for
> servers, or for confidential computing, because each different use case
> might have different requirements, like ignoring some regions is an
> option in one case, but bloating the table in another case might not be
> fine.
> [Eugen]: The meminspect scenario should cover all cases and not be too
> specific. If it is generic enough and customizable enough to care for
> everyone's needs then I consider it being a success. It should not
> specialize in neither of these two different cases, but rather be
> tailored by each use case to provide the mandatory requirements for that
> case.
> 
> Another comment mentioned that this usecase does not apply to many
> people due to firmware or specific hardware needed.
> [Eugen]: one interesting proposed usecase is to have a pstore
> driver/implementation that would traverse the inspection table at panic
> handler time, then gather data from there to store in the pstore
> (ramoops, mtdoops or whatever backend) and have it available to the
> userspace after reboot. This would be a nice use case that does not
> require firmware nor specific hardware, just pstore backend support.
> 
> Ending note was whether this implementation is going in a good direction
> and what would be the way to having it moving upstream.
> 
> Thanks everyone who attended and came up with ideas and comments.
> There are a few comments which I may have missed, so please feel free to
> reply to this email to start a discussion thread on the topic you are
> interested in.
> 
> Eugen
> 

Maybe you or someone else has already mentioned this. If so, sorry I missed it.

How does this compare or contrast to VMCOREINFO?

thanks.
-- 
~Randy


  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-13  6:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-19 15:44 [PATCH 00/26] Introduce meminspect Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 01/26] kernel: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-22  0:04   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-24  3:02   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 02/26] init/version: Annotate static information into meminspect Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 03/26] mm/percpu: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-21 17:13   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-21 19:13   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 04/26] cpu: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 05/26] genirq/irqdesc: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 06/26] timers: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 07/26] kernel/fork: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 08/26] mm/page_alloc: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 09/26] mm/show_mem: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 10/26] mm/swapfile: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 11/26] kernel/vmcore_info: Register dynamic " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 12/26] kernel/configs: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-21 22:16   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 13/26] mm/init-mm: Annotate static " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 14/26] panic: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 15/26] kallsyms: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 16/26] mm/mm_init: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 17/26] sched/core: Annotate runqueues " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 18/26] mm/memblock: Add MEMBLOCK_INSPECT flag Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 19/26] mm/numa: Register information into meminspect Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 20/26] mm/sparse: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 21/26] printk: " Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 22/26] remoteproc: qcom: Extract minidump definitions into a header Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 23/26] soc: qcom: Add minidump driver Eugen Hristev
2025-11-22  4:55   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-22  7:54   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 24/26] soc: qcom: smem: Add minidump device Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 25/26] dt-bindings: reserved-memory: Add Google Kinfo Pixel reserved memory Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 16:02   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-11-19 16:19     ` Eugen Hristev
2025-11-20  7:21       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-11-19 16:33   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2025-11-19 22:41   ` Rob Herring
2025-11-19 15:44 ` [PATCH 26/26] meminspect: Add Kinfo compatible driver Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 16:30 ` [PATCH 00/26] Introduce meminspect Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-19 17:11   ` Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 17:14     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-19 17:19       ` Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 18:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-19 18:24   ` Eugen Hristev
2025-11-19 18:38     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-13  6:48 ` Eugen Hristev
2025-12-13  6:57   ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2025-12-13  7:22     ` Eugen Hristev

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