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From: Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kas@kernel.org>, Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"Vegard Nossum" <vegard.nossum@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 4/9] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel code
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 08:18:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ab6e4d3-0caa-41e6-8231-2f3f45949876@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXECkKeDUDdjmrQjcYk=2Y5ydTV2L1Pg73X7uCC-=DC9Ww@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/2025 7:28 AM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:

>>> d) calling SetVirtualAddressMap() does not result in all 1:1
>>> references being converted to the new mapping.
>>>
>>>
>>> To address d), the x86_64 implementation of efi_map_region() indeed
>>> maps an 1:1 alias of each remapped runtime regions, so that stray
>>> accesses don't fault. But the code addresses are all remapped, and so
>>> the firmware routines are always invoked via their remapped aliases in
>>> the kernel VA space. Not calling SetVirtualAddressMap() at all, or
>>> calling it with a 1:1 mapping is not feasible, essentially because
>>> Windows doesn't do that, and that is the only thing that is tested on
>>> all x86 PCs by the respective OEMs.
>>>
>>> Given that remapping the code is dealt with by the firmware's PE/COFF
>>> loader, whereas remapping [dynamically allocated] data requires effort
>>> on the part of the programmer, I'd hazard a guess that 99.9% of those
>>> bugs do not involve attempts to execute via the lower mapping, but
>>> stray references to data objects that were not remapped properly.
>>>
>>> So we might consider
>>> a) remapping those 1:1 aliases NX, so we don't have those patches of
>>> RWX memory around
>>> b) keeping LASS enabled during ordinary EFI runtime calls, as you suggest.
>>
>> Unless someone has a code pointer in their code.
> 
> That is a good point, especially because the EFI universe is
> constructed out of GUIDs and so-called protocols, which are just
> structs with function pointers.
> 
> However, EFI protocols are only supported at boot time, and the
> runtime execution context is much more restricted. So I'd still expect
> the code pointer case to be much less likely.

But, that still leaves the stray data accesses. We would still need to
disable the LASS data access enforcement by toggling RFLAGS.AC during
the runtime calls.

Can we rely on EFI to not mess up RFLAGS and keep the AC bit intact?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-12 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 21:03 [PATCH v11 0/9] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Sohil Mehta
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 1/9] x86/cpufeatures: Enumerate the LASS feature bits Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:03   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 2/9] x86/cpu: Add an LASS dependency on SMAP Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:04   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 3/9] x86/asm: Introduce inline memcpy and memset Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:06   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 4/9] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel code Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:10   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-10 18:15   ` Sohil Mehta
2025-11-10 19:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-10 19:24     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-11-12 13:56     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 14:51       ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-12 14:57         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 15:18           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 15:23             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 15:28               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-12 15:47                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 16:18                 ` Sohil Mehta [this message]
2025-11-12 16:26                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-12 16:29                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 5/9] x86/efi: Disable LASS while mapping the EFI runtime services Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:11   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 17:38     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-31 17:41       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 18:03         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 18:12           ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-07  9:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07  9:22               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07  9:27                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07  9:35                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07  9:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 10:09                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-11-07 10:27                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-08  0:48                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-11-08 16:18                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-08 22:50                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07 10:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-07 10:17                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2025-10-31 19:04       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-11-07  7:36         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 18:32     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 6/9] x86/kexec: Disable LASS during relocate kernel Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:14   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 7/9] x86/traps: Communicate a LASS violation in #GP message Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:16   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 19:59     ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 20:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-31 20:56       ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 8/9] selftests/x86: Update the negative vsyscall tests to expect a #GP Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:20   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-29 21:03 ` [PATCH v11 9/9] x86/cpu: Enable LASS by default during CPU initialization Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30  8:40   ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-30 15:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 16:44       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30 16:53         ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 17:24           ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-30 17:31             ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-10-30 21:13         ` David Laight
2025-10-31  6:41           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-31 16:55           ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-30 16:27     ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-07  8:01       ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-11-07 20:08         ` Sohil Mehta
2025-10-31 17:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-10-31 20:04     ` Sohil Mehta

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