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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janis Schoetterl-Glausch <scgl@linux.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] KVM: s390: Don't indicate suppression on dirtying, failing memop
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:50:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <701033df-49c5-987e-b316-40835ad83d16@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a06e3e8-4453-9204-eb66-d435860c5714@linux.ibm.com>

On 12.05.22 15:51, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 12.05.22 um 15:22 schrieb David Hildenbrand:
>> On 12.05.22 15:10, Janis Schoetterl-Glausch wrote:
>>> If user space uses a memop to emulate an instruction and that
>>> memop fails, the execution of the instruction ends.
>>> Instruction execution can end in different ways, one of which is
>>> suppression, which requires that the instruction execute like a no-op.
>>> A writing memop that spans multiple pages and fails due to key
>>> protection may have modified guest memory, as a result, the likely
>>> correct ending is termination. Therefore, do not indicate a
>>> suppressing instruction ending in this case.
>>
>> I think that is possibly problematic handling.
>>
>> In TCG we stumbled in similar issues in the past for MVC when crossing
>> page boundaries. Failing after modifying the first page already
>> seriously broke some user space, because the guest would retry the
>> instruction after fixing up the fault reason on the second page: if
>> source and destination operands overlap, you'll be in trouble because
>> the input parameters already changed.
>>
>> For this reason, in TCG we make sure that all accesses are valid before
>> starting modifications.
>>
>> See target/s390x/tcg/mem_helper.c:do_helper_mvc with access_prepare()
>> and friends as an example.
>>
>> Now, I don't know how to tackle that for KVM, I just wanted to raise
>> awareness that injecting an interrupt after modifying page content is
>> possible dodgy and dangerous.
> 
> this is really special and only for key protection crossing pages.
> Its been done since the 70ies in that way on z/VM. The architecture
> is and was always written in a way to allow termination for this
> case for hypervisors.

Just so I understand correctly: all instructions that a hypervisor with
hardware virtualization is supposed to emulate are "written in a way to
allow termination", correct? That makes things a lot easier.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-12 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220512131019.2594948-1-scgl@linux.ibm.com>
2022-05-12 13:10 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] KVM: s390: Don't indicate suppression on dirtying, failing memop Janis Schoetterl-Glausch
2022-05-12 13:22   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-05-12 13:51     ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-05-12 15:50       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-05-12 16:26         ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-05-12 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-05-17 12:25   ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-05-17 14:45   ` Claudio Imbrenda

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