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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 mm-new 03/11] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:41:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7176597b-006f-40ad-9421-860d80d7e696@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbAeS2HzQN96UZNOCuME098=GvXBUh1P4UwUJr0U-bB5EQ@mail.gmail.com>

>> I came to the same conclusion. At least it's a valid start.
>>
>> Maybe we would later want a global fallback BPF-THP prog if none was
>> enabled for a specific MM.
> 
> good idea. We can fallback to the global model when attaching pid 1.
> 
>>
>> But I would expect to start with a per MM way of doing it, it gives you
>> way more flexibility in the long run.
> 
> THP, such as shmem and file-backed THP, are shareable across multiple
> processes and cgroups. If we allow different BPF-THP policies to be
> applied to these shared resources, it could lead to policy
> inconsistencies.

Sure, but nothing new about that (e.g., VM_HUGEPAGE, VM_NOHUGEPAGE, 
PR_GET_THP_DISABLE).

I'd expect that we focus on anon THP as the first step either way.

Skimming over this series, anon memory seems to be the main focus.

> This would ultimately recreate a long-standing issue
> in memcg, which still lacks a robust solution for this problem [0].
> 
> This suggests that applying SCOPED policies to SHAREABLE memory may be
> fundamentally flawed ;-)

Yeah, shared memory is usually more tricky: see mempolicy handling for 
shmem. There, the policy is much rather glued to a file than to a process.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-13 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-30  5:58 [PATCH v9 mm-new 00/11] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 01/11] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from khugepaged_enter_vma() Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 02/11] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from thp_vma_allowable_order() Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 03/11] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-10-03  2:18   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-07  8:47     ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08  3:25       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08  3:50         ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08  4:10           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08  4:25             ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08  4:39               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08  6:02                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08  8:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08  8:18       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08  8:28         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08  9:04           ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 11:27             ` Zi Yan
2025-10-08 12:06               ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 12:49                 ` Gutierrez Asier
2025-10-08 12:07               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 13:11                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-09  9:19                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09  9:59                     ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-10  7:54                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-11  2:13                         ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-13 12:41                           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-13 13:07                             ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 04/11] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 05/11] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 06/11] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 07/11] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-10-06 21:06   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-07  9:05     ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 08/11] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 09/11] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 10/11] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-30  5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 11/11] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao

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