From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 mm-new 03/11] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:41:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7176597b-006f-40ad-9421-860d80d7e696@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbAeS2HzQN96UZNOCuME098=GvXBUh1P4UwUJr0U-bB5EQ@mail.gmail.com>
>> I came to the same conclusion. At least it's a valid start.
>>
>> Maybe we would later want a global fallback BPF-THP prog if none was
>> enabled for a specific MM.
>
> good idea. We can fallback to the global model when attaching pid 1.
>
>>
>> But I would expect to start with a per MM way of doing it, it gives you
>> way more flexibility in the long run.
>
> THP, such as shmem and file-backed THP, are shareable across multiple
> processes and cgroups. If we allow different BPF-THP policies to be
> applied to these shared resources, it could lead to policy
> inconsistencies.
Sure, but nothing new about that (e.g., VM_HUGEPAGE, VM_NOHUGEPAGE,
PR_GET_THP_DISABLE).
I'd expect that we focus on anon THP as the first step either way.
Skimming over this series, anon memory seems to be the main focus.
> This would ultimately recreate a long-standing issue
> in memcg, which still lacks a robust solution for this problem [0].
>
> This suggests that applying SCOPED policies to SHAREABLE memory may be
> fundamentally flawed ;-)
Yeah, shared memory is usually more tricky: see mempolicy handling for
shmem. There, the policy is much rather glued to a file than to a process.
--
Cheers
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-13 12:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-30 5:58 [PATCH v9 mm-new 00/11] mm, bpf: BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 01/11] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from khugepaged_enter_vma() Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 02/11] mm: thp: remove vm_flags parameter from thp_vma_allowable_order() Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 03/11] mm: thp: add support for BPF based THP order selection Yafang Shao
2025-10-03 2:18 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-07 8:47 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 3:25 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08 3:50 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 4:10 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08 4:25 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 4:39 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-08 6:02 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 8:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 8:18 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 8:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 9:04 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 11:27 ` Zi Yan
2025-10-08 12:06 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-08 12:49 ` Gutierrez Asier
2025-10-08 12:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 13:11 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-09 9:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 9:59 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-10 7:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-11 2:13 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-13 12:41 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-13 13:07 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 04/11] mm: thp: decouple THP allocation between swap and page fault paths Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 05/11] mm: thp: enable THP allocation exclusively through khugepaged Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 06/11] bpf: mark mm->owner as __safe_rcu_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 07/11] bpf: mark vma->vm_mm as __safe_trusted_or_null Yafang Shao
2025-10-06 21:06 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-07 9:05 ` Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 08/11] selftests/bpf: add a simple BPF based THP policy Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 09/11] selftests/bpf: add test case to update " Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 10/11] selftests/bpf: add test cases for invalid thp_adjust usage Yafang Shao
2025-09-30 5:58 ` [PATCH v9 mm-new 11/11] Documentation: add BPF-based THP policy management Yafang Shao
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