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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Kal Cutter Conley <kal.conley@dectris.com>
Cc: "Maciej Fijalkowski" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"Magnus Karlsson" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
	"Jonathan Lemon" <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 1/3] xsk: Support UMEM chunk_size > PAGE_SIZE
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:28:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edonzaac.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHApi-=BcdTD7KvE0OEzYya0RmDLDBS19NgtZsESADYXbySLOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kal Cutter Conley <kal.conley@dectris.com> writes:

>> "More annoying" is not a great argument, though. You're basically saying
>> "please complicate your code so I don't have to complicate mine". And
>> since kernel API is essentially frozen forever, adding more of them
>> carries a pretty high cost, which is why kernel developers tend not to
>> be easily swayed by convenience arguments (if all you want is a more
>> convenient API, just build one on top of the kernel primitives and wrap
>> it into a library).
>
> I was trying to make a fair comparison from the user's perspective
> between having to allocate huge pages and deal with discontiguous
> buffers. That was all.
>
> I think the "your code" distinction is a bit harsh. The kernel is a
> community project. Why isn't it "our" code? I am trying to add a
> feature that I think is generally useful to people. The kernel only
> exists to serve its users.

Oh, I'm sorry if that came across as harsh, that was not my intention! I
was certainly not trying to make a "you vs us" distinction; I was just
trying to explain why making changes on the kernel side carries a higher
cost than an equivalent (or even slightly more complex) change on the
userspace side, because of the UAPI consideration.

> I believe I am doing more good than harm sending these patches.

I don't think so! You've certainly sparked a discussion, that is good :)

-Toke


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-13 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20230406130205.49996-1-kal.conley@dectris.com>
2023-04-06 13:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 1/3] xsk: Support UMEM chunk_size > PAGE_SIZE Kal Conley
2023-04-06 18:38   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-07 16:28     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2023-04-08 17:38       ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-12 13:34         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-12 13:55           ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-04-12 22:49             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-13 10:56           ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-13 11:08             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-13 12:43               ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-13 20:49                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-13 22:06                   ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-13 22:28                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2023-04-14  9:08                       ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-17 12:13                   ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-04-17 12:40                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-17 13:46                       ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-14 16:36               ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-18 10:16                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-18 11:12                   ` Kal Cutter Conley
2023-04-21  9:37                     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2023-04-21  9:54                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-04-21 12:27                         ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-04-21 12:17                       ` Magnus Karlsson
2023-04-21 15:27                       ` Kal Cutter Conley

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