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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>, dave.hansen@intel.com
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 00/16] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 15:29:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <97B65822-F133-4F7C-AFCD-6E3BB1EDCF9F@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1aa5fb31-ce23-4c9f-ba1b-d5dc93402209@citrix.com>

On June 20, 2025 3:04:53 PM PDT, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> Most of the cover letter here reads like an Intel whitepaper. That's not
>> the worst thing in the world, but I think it glosses over one very
>> important point:
>>
>> 	Had it been available, LASS alone would have mitigated Meltdown.
>>
>> Could we say this up front in a prominent place, please?
>
>I'm going to nitpick. :)
>
>Yes, LASS would have made Meltdown a far less major problem than it was,
>but I don't think that phrasing is fair.  As I recall, LASS was
>literally invented as a "what would have been useful?" exercise in the
>wake of Meltdown.
>
>However, a less well known/researched area of Meltdown, which would not
>be addressed by LASS, is the ability to pend stores to read-only memory
>and proceed with the expectation that they'll success.
>
>Other things which would have helped would have been PKS (and this *was*
>asked for ahead of Skylake launching...)
>
>The other important thing about LASS is that it does cut off a whole
>class of sidechannels.  This halts definitely-rogue speculation, but is
>useful for non-speculative security too.
>
>~Andrew

Could you clarify what you mean with "pend stores to read-only memory?"

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-20 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-20 13:53 [PATCHv6 00/16] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 01/16] x86/cpu: Enumerate the LASS feature bits Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:25   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 15:36   ` Xin Li
2025-06-20 17:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 23:46       ` Xin Li
2025-06-21  0:45         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-21  0:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-23 17:40             ` Xin Li
2025-06-24  2:04               ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-24  4:57                 ` Xin Li
2025-06-24  5:11                   ` Xin Li
2025-06-20 16:02   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-06-20 16:12     ` Xin Li
2025-06-20 16:16       ` Randy Dunlap
2025-06-20 16:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-20 17:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:29       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-23  8:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-23 10:21           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-23 13:42             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-26 15:18               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-26 16:07                 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-26 17:21                   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-27 10:25                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-27 10:43                       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-06-27 13:57                       ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 18:14   ` Sohil Mehta
2025-06-20 18:24     ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 23:10       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-06-23 16:25       ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-23 16:42         ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-23 23:13           ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-23 23:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-24  0:10               ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-24  2:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-25 18:51     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 02/16] x86/asm: Introduce inline memcpy and memset Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 03/16] x86/alternatives: Disable LASS when patching kernel alternatives Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:33   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 17:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 04/16] x86/efi: Move runtime service initialization to arch/x86 Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:35   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 17:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 05/16] x86/cpu: Defer CR pinning setup until after EFI initialization Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:44   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 06/16] efi: Disable LASS around set_virtual_address_map() EFI call Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:55   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 17:50     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 07/16] x86/vsyscall: Reorganize the #PF emulation code Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:43   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 23:08     ` Andrew Cooper
2025-06-20 23:18       ` Sohil Mehta
2025-06-20 23:29         ` Andrew Cooper
2025-06-20 23:21       ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-21  3:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-23 12:41         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-23 12:46           ` Andrew Cooper
2025-06-23 15:32           ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-23 15:45             ` Andrew Cooper
2025-06-24 11:37             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-24 14:11               ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-24 14:59                 ` [PATCH] x86/vsyscall: Do not require X86_PF_INSTR to emulate vsyscall Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 08/16] x86/traps: Consolidate user fixups in exc_general_protection() Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 14:47   ` Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 09/16] x86/vsyscall: Add vsyscall emulation for #GP Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 10/16] x86/vsyscall: Disable LASS if vsyscall mode is set to EMULATE Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 11/16] x86/cpu: Set LASS CR4 bit as pinning sensitive Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 12/16] x86/traps: Communicate a LASS violation in #GP message Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 13/16] x86/traps: Handle LASS thrown #SS Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:20   ` Xin Li
2025-06-20 17:53     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 14/16] x86/cpu: Make LAM depend on LASS Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 15/16] x86/cpu: Enable LASS during CPU initialization Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 13:53 ` [PATCHv6 16/16] x86: Re-enable Linear Address Masking Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-06-20 15:38 ` [PATCHv6 00/16] x86: Enable Linear Address Space Separation support Dave Hansen
2025-06-20 22:04   ` Andrew Cooper
2025-06-20 22:29     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-06-20 22:43     ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-06-20 22:46     ` Dave Hansen

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