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From: Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@redhat.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
Cc: Benjamin Tissoires <bentiss@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	 Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	 Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	 Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,  Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/9] allow HID-BPF to do device IOs
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 17:26:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO-hwJ+UeaBydN9deA8KBbgBiC_UCt6oXX-wGnNuSr8fhUrkXw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bk8pve2z.fsf@toke.dk>

On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 4:42 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Benjamin Tissoires <bentiss@kernel.org> writes:
>
> > [Putting this as a RFC because I'm pretty sure I'm not doing the things
> > correctly at the BPF level.]
> > [Also using bpf-next as the base tree as there will be conflicting
> > changes otherwise]
> >
> > Ideally I'd like to have something similar to bpf_timers, but not
> > in soft IRQ context. So I'm emulating this with a sleepable
> > bpf_tail_call() (see "HID: bpf: allow to defer work in a delayed
> > workqueue").
>
> Why implement a new mechanism? Sounds like what you need is essentially
> the bpf_timer functionality, just running in a different context, right?

Heh, that's exactly why I put in a RFC :)

So yes, the bpf_timer approach is cleaner, but I need it in a
workqueue, as a hrtimer in a softIRQ would prevent me to kzalloc and
wait for the device.

> So why not just add a flag to the timer setup that controls the callback
> context? I've been toying with something similar for restarting XDP TX
> for my queueing patch series (though I'm not sure if this will actually
> end up being needed in the end):
>
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/toke/linux.git/commit/?h=xdp-queueing-08&id=54bc201a358d1ac6ebfe900099315bbd0a76e862
>

Oh, nice. Good idea. But would it be OK to have a "timer-like" where
it actually defers the job in a workqueue instead of using an hrtimer?

I thought I would have to rewrite the entire bpf_timer approach
without the softIRQ, but if I can just add a new flag, that will make
things way simpler for me.

This however raises another issue if I were to use the bpf_timers: now
the HID-BPF kfuncs will not be available as they are only available to
tracing prog types. And when I tried to call them from a bpf_timer (in
softIRQ) they were not available.

Cheers,
Benjamin


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-09 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-09 13:26 [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/9] allow HID-BPF to do device IOs Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 1/9] bpf: allow more maps in sleepable bpf programs Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 2/9] HID: bpf/dispatch: regroup kfuncs definitions Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 3/9] HID: bpf: export hid_hw_output_report as a BPF kfunc Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 4/9] selftests/hid: Add test for hid_bpf_hw_output_report Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 5/9] HID: bpf: allow to inject HID event from BPF Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 6/9] selftests/hid: add tests for hid_bpf_input_report Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 7/9] HID: bpf: allow to defer work in a delayed workqueue Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 8/9] selftests/hid: add test for hid_bpf_schedule_delayed_work Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 9/9] selftests/hid: add another set of delayed work tests Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-09 15:42 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/9] allow HID-BPF to do device IOs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-09 16:26   ` Benjamin Tissoires [this message]
2024-02-09 17:05     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-12 16:47       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-12 17:46         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-12 18:20           ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-12 21:24             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-13 17:46               ` Benjamin Tissoires
2024-02-13 19:23                 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-02-13 19:51                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-13 20:52                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14 12:56                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-02-13 20:48                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-02-14 17:10                   ` Benjamin Tissoires

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